[geocentrism] Re: translational orbit
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:41:49 +1000
I thought you wer out to prove that movement of the world around the sun would
be detected as a rotation..
Maybe I am jumping ahead.. so bring on your first simple step and we will go
from there. though I feel somehow this was al ready resolved by Regner.
Philip
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational orbit
Just how does scale have anything to do with rotaional
effects?..Demonstrate somthing dont just imagin..... if you take any camera and
rotate it against any object at any distance , at any scale ..including real
stars you get rotational effects!..That being absolutly true...please clarify &
explain your objections with somthing real not just imagined.......
--- On Sat, 9/20/08, Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational orbit
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:11 PM
Yes, I concur with that. The (alleged/accepted) distances are
the problem.
Neville
www.realityreviewed.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:16:59 +1000
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational orbit
No go Allen.. You are not including scale.. HC propose
two myths.
One that the earth moves around the sun...
Now if this were the only myth, then your camera would
indeed show the rotation. and you are correct.
However the other myth makes your camera worthless..
Oh the other myth.. That is the alleged distance of your
star... You see with optics, everything past a certain focal length is
infinity.. It cannot be resolved.. And they have conveniently placed all the
stars at a distance well beyond your power of resolution..
Hope you got all that.. I didn't .. but it sounds good..
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:59 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] translational orbit
EUREKA!!......A translational orbit still
produces a rotational effect!...The punch line is ....
1. the axis of the rotation shifts from the
body that is being orbited to the center of the body in the translational
orbit....
2. It reverses the effects of the rotational
effects. That is to say that a clockwise orbit will produce counter clockwise
rotational impression on film where if the translational orbit is clockwise
then the rotational effects on film will be clockwise!..
The fact that the earth's has a translational
orbit around the sun cannot and will not hide a rotation around the NCP which
is offset from the nightly NEP by 23 degrees.. YES, Im already fully aware of
ALL the previous as well as possible objections.....i was able to isolate each
and every single one.........I have now found the way to prove it as well as
demonstrate how it can be accomplished in the real world ......The solution is
remarkably "simple" but extremely hard to visualize due to the complexities of
the kinematics........If you imagine a set of crosshairs they have a up/ down
equal distant mark as well as a left and right equal distant mark....The trick
is understanding that the back and fourth motion of the sun by 23 degrees
annually is nothing more then up/down deviations from that up/down center
mark.....The key is as long as the right/ left center mark does not deviate we
can still get our rotation around a axis that lay parallel to a axis that is
perpendicular and runs through the suns (ecliptic deviation/ path) since it lay
perpendicular to the up/down centerline on our cross hairs, because it lays 23
degrees offset ..this is true because any rotation around the sun or ecliptic
is not dependent on the north south deviation of the sun/ecliptic ..the
rotation & it’s effects are around a axis that lay perpendicular to that
deviation. Yes we have to have a camera that does not move with respect to that
ecliptic deviation….I will show but we should already know exactly how to
accomplish that… .......the proof is quite detailed i will lay out the
fundamentals bit by bit so we don’t get confused by all the motions........I
plan to submit some diagrams and photos eventually...using real stars and
demonstrating exactly how it was done...but the key is a translational motion
will still produce a rotation on the NCP .....The rub is, I kept trying to tell
you guys that the clue was “hidden” in that “most powerful definition of
rotation known to man” ....In fact, It would have to produce a rotational
effect in order for all of the motions to be "equivalent"!.............. Oh,
what fun I am going to have now.....”Destruction” and “chaos” the likes of
which have not been seen since the Renaissance itself..& ..It won’t take me any
400 years either!
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