Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get= it now. =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C7EDAC.6FEC1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Paul wrote: <S= TRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans,Sans-serif">=AB...To discov= er which -- if any -- of these is correct requires many more data.=BB</FO= NT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Since you won't recognize that (physical)&= nbsp;life and intelligent beings are a good physical reason, will you be = intelligent enough to accept it as very important <STRONG>data</STRONG> ?= </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Question about Mars: if there is a 4 minute= s difference on Earth between solar and sideral day, what makes you write= that the difference on Mars would only be 2 minutes ? </DIV> <DIV>= You wrote: =AB<FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans,Sans-serif">the Sun= rises over the eastern horizon and sets over the western horizon ... on = Mars the frequency is 24h 39m 35s ... the stars rise over the easte= rn horizon and set over the western horizon on Mars the frequency is= once per 24h 37m 22s=BB</FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want to be "pic= ky", but since you are stressing on precisions, you should write (ab= out Sun rises) that it is an <STRONG><EM>average</EM></STRONG> frequency.= </DIV> <DIV>Marc V</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-R= IGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original= Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial;= COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Paul Deema</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ari= al"><B>Sent:</B> 1 septembre 2007 16:30</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ar= ial"><B>To:</B> Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science</DIV> <DIV>&nb= sp;</DIV> <STYLE type=3Dtext/css><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></STYLE> <DIV= style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <D= IV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> <P>Marc V</P> <DIR> <DIR> <P>From marc-vei= lleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sat Sep 1 03:46:44 2007</P> <P>Paul, </P> <P>Strike tw= o: you totally missed the point again ! I never contested the possibiliti= es that an observer on Mars (or any other planets) could observe the Sunr= ise and Sunset. My point is that only the Earth has </FONT><FONT color=3D= #808080 size=3D2>physical</FONT><FONT size=3D2> life and </FONT><FONT col= or=3D#808080 size=3D2>physical</FONT><FONT size=3D2> intelligent beings l= iving on it. And this is a good </FONT><FONT color=3D#808000 size=3D2>phy= sical </FONT><FONT size=3D2>reason to give a bias to the Earth based obse= rver. If you don't agree with this, it is because you are blinded to the = core ! </P> <P>Marc V.</P></DIR></DIR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>= <P>Well I'm up for three! Perhaps you have trouble with 'physical'? Your= use of physical -- as picked out in </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#8= 08080 size=3D2>gray </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>above -- is essent= ially redundant ie not needed, irrelevant and possibly misleading. Where = I have picked it out in </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#808000 size=3D= 2>olive</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, it is simply incorrect. A phy= sical reason is one based on physics, or at least something objectively d= emonstratable. Examples - "It is physically desirable to use a truck of t= wo tonne capacity to transport this large boulder -- the boot (trunk?) of= your compact is just not equal to the task!"; "It is physically impossib= le to hold one gallon (imperial or US) of water in this two litre flask";= "You may try to outrun a bullet from my gun sir, but you will find that = it is physically impossible"; etc.</P></FONT><FONT size=3D2> <P>My origin= al statement was "...they cannot all be correct and there is no physical = reason which gives a bias to the Earth based observer..." with which you = have dissagreed. What I intended that you should understand from this, is= that if I place a group of intelligent but largely ignorant beings on th= e Earth, another on the Moon, and a third on Mars, then, on their observa= tions, they would likely all come to the same conclusion ie that <I>they<= /I> were on a stationary body, that <I>they</I> were at the centre of the= universe, and that it would remain that way until they became scientific= ally literate and knowledgeable.</P> <P>What each of these groups would d= iscover is that in all cases, the Sun rises over the eastern horizon and = sets over the western horizon but that on Earth this occurs at a frequenc= y of once per 24 hours, on the Moon 29.53 Earth days, while on Mars the f= requency is 24h 39m 35s(Earth). They would each note that the stars rise = over the eastern horizon and set over the western horizon but that on Ear= th this occurs at a frequency of once per 23h 56m 4s, on the moon 27.322 = Earth days, and on Mars the frequency is once per 24h 37m 22s (Earth). Th= ese are among the <I>physical</I> reasons why they cannot all be right an= d there is no <I>physical</I> reason why the Earth observations should be= set above the extra-terrestrial observations. To discover which -- if an= y -- of these is correct requires many more data.</P></FONT></DIV> <P><FO= NT face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P> <DIV></DIV></D= IV><BR> <HR SIZE=3D1> Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free = unlimited storage. <A href=3D"http://au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/defaul= t_all/storage/*http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html"; targe= t=3D_blank>Get it now</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C7EDAC.6FEC1850--