Philip, It seems that Allen's explanation for vibration makes more sense than your's. Scriptures and oral Tradition tell us that everything God willed was done by the Son, who is the Word of God (God willed it that way). No doubt God could have created us only with a thought, but he chose to use earth, and for the woman, he chose a bone taken from Adam. So, why couldn't he created the stars from something also ? And since we know that our words are sound waves, tell me why it is not possible that the Word of God is some sound waves to. After all we were created in the image of God. Marc V. ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen Sent: 1 septembre 2008 02:53 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: nature of stars Allen you need to be more specific with your use of definitions. I have had similar confusion from you before. Your use of the term vibration, extends way beyond it true meaning, though I may guess your meaning, others may not, or even you may not. Vibration is mechanical . Vibration refers to mechanical oscillations about an equilibrium point . The oscillations may be periodic such as the motion of a pendulum or random . We often use analogy for vibration in other forms, that are not mechanical , unless transduced with a transducer, which converts phenomena . Eg electrical frequencies or radio waves, which are neither waves nor vibrations, but mathmatical periods and amplitudes on paper , graphically the same as does a true mechanical vibration as represented on paper. In the universe, from your perspective above, I doubt the existence of any universal mechanical vibrations, of importance. And in any case what medium is there to carry them.. Let us perhaps consider the 11 year cycle of the sun as a wave, it once again is not a mechanical vibration, but a periodic measurement of solar conditions that may or may not take a pure sinesoidal form as it radiates its effects outwards in a variety of directions and may be transduced into mechanical vibrations by suitable intervening media. I welcome some more clarification from you as to the type of wave form that you call vibrations that effect the universe.. electrical, or what? No bubbles please! God needs no science in His creation other than that what He created when done conforms to it.. No Sound No words, Just His will... He willed it ..it happens.. The common old centurion understood, and Jesus marvelled, And the centurion, making answer, said: Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldst enter under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant shall be healed. And Jesus said to the centurion: Go, and as thou hast believed, so be it done to thee. And the servant was healed at the same hour. Philip.. ----- Original Message ----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: nature of stars Interesting Idea, I think someone even mentioned Sonoluminescencea while back in relation to somthing i dont remember what though............I do think vibration play a very dominate role in the nature of the universe particularly in what how things are “held together”. I think the differences are really just a look at macro v micro scales. --- On Sun, 8/31/08, marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx <marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx <marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: nature of stars To: "Geocentric" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:18 PM It seems that the stars were created by a sound wave (the Word of God) in the waters above the firmament. see Wikipedia: Sonoluminescence can occur when a sound wave of sufficient intensity induces a gaseous cavity within a liquid to collapse quickly. This cavity may take the form of a pre-existing bubble, or may be generated through a process known as cavitation. Sonoluminescence in the laboratory can be made to be stable, so that a single bubble will expand and collapse over and over again in a periodic fashion, emitting a burst of light each time it collapses. Christus Imperat, Marc Veilleux