[geocentrism] Re: magnitude of scale.

From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:20:14 -0800 (PST)
  Paul, 
  OK, I will keep this general for you now ..The Mechanics discused here are 
quite simple. They are accurately reflected in the diagrams i gave you that are 
themselves pretty self explanatory...but lets start back at square one so to 
speak.............. Yes, lets keep it general for now.

   
  comments to you in blue 
  
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        Now -- My understaning of your explination is that they are somehow the 
same or are viewed the same..? I'm not too sure exactly what you mean here so 
I'll try to explain and hope that you grasp my point. If you followed my short 
exchange with JA on how I visualised the process which led me to accept his 
thinking as illustrated in his "Drawing1.bmp", you will have seen the two 
drawings I sent him in my two posts Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts 
(Supplementary) From Paul Deema Tue Nov 6 18:23:19 2007 and (same thread) Wed 
Nov 7 11:12:46 2007 which pretty much explain the mechanics of how I visualised 
these actions.
   
   
    Ok i can live with drawing "A".... which shows basically what my "9" 
shows..........that you said confused you....?

   
  The first thing to do in solving any problem is to reduce it to its essential 
parts, if possible simplifying in the process. If the problem involves two (or 
more) components -- treat each component separately. In this exercise, I look 
at the daily (this means happens once per 24 h) you call it nightly, phenomenon 
and ask "What do we need to do in order to record this event?" Well we all know 
the answer to that one -- nail a camera to the Earth, point it at the centre of 
rotation -- It does not have to be aimed at the center of roation and i think 
this seems to be a key point for you, but it matters not if the camera is 
facing in a differnt angle then the roation..Once you see this and the fact 
that you incorrectly model the motions,  you should then realise how quickly 
your arguments fall appart.  Earth or stars, it matters not -- chock the 
shutter open, wait an hour or three, remove the chock, print the picture -- 
Voila! Star trails.
  It gets more difficult to visualise the other part. No it is not. It is the 
exact same action, with the exact same stars, only a larger  motion ..What is 
difficult to visualise is the fact that we don't see it, when we see the other 
for the same reasons, and yet you insist that it exist.......We can't see the 
ecliptic plane, or the axis at the centre, or its inclination to the Earth's 
axis but we opine that they exist, not physically but as intellectual entities. 
in the exact same way that the NCP exist ..none of this would realy have come 
into question prior to photographic plates......So we then devise a substitute 
for the ecliptic disk, nail the camera to it, point it straight up, chock the 
shutter open for a month or three, pull the chock, print the picture and look. 
You say there will be no trails about the axis, I say there will. wrong!...you 
will most certainly see nightly trails, I have said this over and over.....? 
The debate then becomes an exploration of the
 actions and the mechanics involved.
  I've kept this deliberately general. The object is to agree on the principles 
involved, the names of the parts etc. Are you still with me? Please try to 
limit discussion to just these few points.
  Look at the diagram again. You model things either incompletely or 
incorrectly. If you are going to model the system you need and must model all 
components of the model not just pick and choose..look again at the diagram i 
gave you ..that model is the exact mechanics of the HC/AC earth sun system even 
according to MS. That model will produce and demonstrate both motions on one 
camera..but the reality will only ever produce the nightly ones..... that is 
the rub.. 

  Paul D
  


  
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