Paul, What has your question got to do with anything?..stars dont take up half the width of the frame ..even if you were refereing to polarisis whole star trail...it still misses the point. Each star has two distinct motions ..................so what two basket balls (stars/ star trails?) are you refereing to? Allen D I don't know what to say Allen. Your explanations just confuse me more. Its a modle of the earth/ solar system....and you are confused!? ...Paul, that is your problem you don't understnad the basic mechanics......you own stament and your very question demonstrate this. You keep trying to refere to things that have no reflection to reality you model them backwards or incompletly or not at all.......... Allen Would you answer in one line of text of 12 pitch Arial font the following question -- I place two basket balls on a low brick wall ten metres distant and separated such that there is an angle of 23.44 degrees between them as observed from your position. I give you a camera with a lens of such focal length that one basket ball fills half the width of the frame. Is it possible to photograph both basket balls on the same axis? I'll take up the other issues after I receive your "...one line of text of 12 pitch Arial font ..." answer. You should be able to answer in rather less than one line. Finally, have you ever visited this site http://www.timecube.com/ ? If you haven't, spend a few minutes there and tell me what it means. You should be able to do that in two lines of 12 pitch Arial font. Paul D ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, 8 November, 2007 7:45:02 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: magnitude of scale. --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV.