bernie, I appreciate the link. I am not directly familiar with the work of Arthur Koestler. However if his research turns out to reflect the truth I personally wouldn't be suprised. I think anyone who is half-way honest and logical would have to acknowledge that it is highly unlikely that Jesus really looked like the white western european man of the renaissance that he is depicted as around the world. but i think the issue of "who's really a Jew" or "let's prick that lil buggers finger and check his DNA" is a great example of the World completely missing the big picture... Galatians 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. Galatiants 3:26-29 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave for free man, there is neither male nore female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. Romans 2:29 But he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; and circumcision is not that which is of the heart, but by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God Romans 8:9 ...But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. i could go on forever with NT passages on this subject... praise God for being thorough... But I must confess I still chuckle at some of the paintings and likenesses of Jesus that I come across from day to day. I'm retty sure today's "Jesus" (i like to call Him "Idol Jesus") looks more like Weird Al Yankovich than the REAL Jesus, that is, that fellow depicted in Revelation chapters 1:12-17 and 19:11-16 Whether Revelation is meant to be literal or symbolic in its communication seems irrelevant for the sake of this conversation, in either case Jesus appears to definately be "tha boss" as my 3 year old would say... And for some strange reason those descriptions in Revelation seem to have a lot in common with the picture I get of the "Old Testament God"? hmm... wonder why that is??? John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." John 20:27-28 Then He says to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing." Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" wayne Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:48:37 -0600From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxxxx: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [geocentrism] Re: correction Wayne wrote: "Now, we may not like what the descendents of those ancient jews have become and what they represent today..." Where do "Jews" belong? The Jewish historian Arthur Koestler shows that most Jews are Khazars, not original Jews. The Ashkenazi Jews should go back to their true homeland, Khazaria. Have you seen The Thirteenth Tribe? Click here. Plus our discussion about it is here Bernie ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008