[geocentrism] Re: an axis or not?

An ecliptic (or any ) plane to me is an arbitary geometrical statement. If a 
top was spinning stable in a vertical position, then the plane of its rotation 
or orbit would be in a fixed plane. But what of the same top orbiting and 
precessing (gyrating)? The plane of the orbit and the plane of the spin and 
thus their axes would be continuously variable. 

Where would the geometrician put the axis of an unstable orbit that varied 
randomly in the vertical and horizontal plane?  What was true for this instant 
would not be true for the next, and being random, would not be predictable.. I 
repeat my assertion an ecliptic plane is an imaginary geometrical construct 
used for graphic display. It has no other existence as an entity
Philip. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neville Jones 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:42 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: an axis or not?


  -----Original Message-----
  From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:23:31 -0800 (PST)

  "An Earth system model wherein the sun goes around the Earth following the 
ecliptic path that is inseparable from the heliocentric model is not required 
at all in the Geocentrism model... Using the 'solar system' heliocentricity 
path of orbit on a Geocentrism model doesn't work because that path is not 
actually part of the Geocentrism model."    Marshall Hall

  This is simply not true. In fact, it is primarily from a geocentric 
perspective that we get the concept of the ecliptic.

  N. 
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