Philip, Your e-mail below confirm your comment in a previous e-mail when you said the Bible was full of contradictions. This demonstrates a lack of Biblical knowledge. The Bible does not contradict itself. People have been saying this for hundreds of years but it still stands orders of magnitude above other books. The passages are usually taken out of context just as you have just done. Yes we are told to love our enemies and we are told how to deal with people who bring the Bible and Church into disrepute see Mat 18:15-17. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Wise as a serpent Jack said, Philip, Your fear of being critical sounds very much like the 'political correctness' variety! When you are in possesion of the truth it is OK to cricise those who reject it. The same goes for criticising Christian brothers who bring disrespect to the Bible and the church. The Bible tells how to deal with people like that. When people are exposed to the truth, feelings can inevitably get hurt." Actually I have been here long enough for most to know that I never fear being critical. I will defend truth, sometimes in error.. But this does not mean that I should desire to criticise the person. If personal hurt can be avoided, I would desire to do it that way.. "When you are in possesion of the truth it is OK to cricise those who reject it." Absolutely not so for me.. It is OK to criticise their error, perhaps, but it is better to not criticise, but explain their error in a positive leading way. And definitely NOT judge or criticise the person. After all, both you and I claim different "truths" and though our faith is strong, from the others view point either you or I must be wrong or both of us can be wrong. It becomes a matter of whether our intelligence is up to comprehending our separate interpretations. In my case my dependence on the combined intelligence of the entire councils of apostles of the Traditional Roman Church, and your dependence upon your own intelligence in interpreting Scripture, from your own selected books, alone, all by yourself.. Claiming the Holy Spirit is your guide, is no argument as everybody who has a dog can claim that. "The Bible tells how to deal with people like that. " Did you mean, "love your enemies"? This is open to debate I'd say. Your phraseology could be interpreted as arrogant pride, and you have made yourself a judge already by condemning a person as "people like that" I'm not saying you meant it, but that is how the play on words sound. "When people are exposed to the truth, feelings can inevitably get hurt." That is illogical. People naturally love the truth. Being exposed to the truth, is not knowing it. Its when you say your "truth" is better than theirs, with a superior air, without any other proof than your personal claim to have the Holy ghost, as well as/or a superior intelligence, then it is possible for people to get offended. I think it is better to maintain kindness with reason... Philip.