[geocentrism] Re: Very dangerous times indeed
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
(N)????You don?t care what scripture states you just want to believe it the way
you have arbitrarily decided what it should mean. ? And just who are you to
make such a proclamation? As for Reasoning this was my point, it is you who
argues for the reasoning of man and if so what is the logic or reasoning are
you applying?? (Isa 1:18 KJV) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the
LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though
they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. ... Are you saying that Our
Father does not expect man to reason?
Neville.
(A) First, I am not making the proclamation.. Thus saith the Lord?..1 Peter 4:
11. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;.. You will find this
concept in the OT as well. 1Chorinthinas 4:6???..that ye might learn in us not
to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up
for one against another. ??..This concept is found in the OT as well regardless
of how you "feel" about Paul? I find it amazing that you cannot see the
difference between reasoning from scripture and interpretation based on your
reasoning. There is no reasoning or logic by which anyone can demonstrate
authority or consistency by arbitrarily assigning meaning to scriptures and
ignore plainly stated ones. I have demonstrated that the only consistent method
of using "reasoning" is to let scripture interpret otherwise there is no
"reasoning" involved it is just all arbitrary. There is a difference between
finding understanding in "my reasoning" verse finding understandin
g via
what scripture states and accepting it, which is using "reasoning" because
other wise logic is not involved everything is just man?s arbitrary
determinations. If the meaning is not in scripture how then can you argue it is
anywhere else since it is scripture that you are trying to base your argument
on in the first place?.. This is what you miss.. If the meaning is intrinsic,
and it is, to scripture then why do you ignore it? 1 Peter 1:20. Knowing this
first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. The
Interpretation does not come from man it is from God if you will listen and
accept it otherwise your arguments contain no real "reasoning" just arbitrary
interpretation of man based on what man finds "reasonable" rather than Gods
revelation to man.
"Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Allen Daves
<allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
(N)I call it interpretation, just like you do, although I seem to remember that
a short while back you were arguing against any interpretation or reasoning.
The fact that Flood accounts are present through any ancient people you care to
find, even those that have been "cut off" for hundreds of years, greatly
strengthens our case for telling others that a Flood really did occur. The fact
that "long day," or "long night," or "long sunset" accounts are present from
around the globe greatly strengthens our case for the geostationary cosmology
of the Tanakh.
(A)This makes my point?..If you admit that what you are doing with scripture is
interpretation then how is scripture defining scripture more arbitrary or
Interpretative? You don?t care what scripture states you just want to believe
it the way you have arbitrarily decided what it should mean. ? And just who are
you to make such a proclamation? As for Reasoning this was my point, it is you
who argues for the reasoning of man and if so what is the logic or reasoning
are you applying?? (Isa 1:18 KJV) Come now, and let us reason together,
saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. ... Are you saying that
Our Father does not expect man to reason?
Neville.
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