[geocentrism] Re: Uranus

  • From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:43:40 +0000 (GMT)

Allen D
 
I've abbreviated this response to your last two posts -- I think most will not 
want to look back earlier than that.
 
As I read it, you are saying that the Moon has only one rotation while Uranus 
has two. Here I read your use of the term 'rotation' to mean 'motion'. (If only 
you would use commonly accepted terminology, we would all be better able to 
understand just what it is that you are trying to communicate).
 
You refer to Parent "1". Unfortunately Yahoo can find no attachment with 
'Parent' included in the attachment name. If I am to gain any insight into what 
you are thinking, I need that drawing. It is impossible to grasp what you are 
referring to in most of your statements. Indeed from one phrase to the next you 
often seem to be contradicting yourself. It may be clear in your mind but it 
sure as shootin' ain't so in the writin'.
 
It's Wednesday -- I'm gone.
 
Paul D
 
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On Mon, 12/22/08, allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Uranus
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:55 PM

 
Paul,Your drawing also states that there are TWO different rotations.  IN 
URANUS NOT THE MOON?!This whole debacle has its origin if you recall, in your 
adamant assertion that in the case of the Moon at least -- and by implication 
all similar cases -- there was only ONE motion. Uransus does not have the same 
motions as the moon!?Your words from memory were "It is a unnecessary 
complication [to postulate two motions]."The moon only has one rotation to a 
common point that lay outside the moon itself at the earth only 
one.........Paul, how can you be so confused?......There is only one rotation 
for the moon....Uranus has two rotations to two different common 
points......Uranus has one rotation to a common point at the sun (outside 
Uranus) and one rotation to a common point that lay insideUranus......I was 
adamant then and I still am...you however are still clueless.Uranus has two 
rotationsThe moon has one rotation
This has nothing to do with convenience of postulation...It is matter of fact 
only one rotation exist for the moon.........I have demonstrated the 
differences for both bodies and both types. A progressive radial orientation to 
a common pointis the same action no matter if the common point lay within or 
without a body in rotation ...  = one to a common point that lay outside the 
moon itself at the earth...that is the only rotation that exist for the 
moon...the common point lay outside the moon...that fact does not constitue two 
motions or two rotations...  = 1. common point at sun (outside the body in 
question/ uranus) and 2. one within the body/ uranus itself 
Paul..... If you read my earlier post this very issue after you asked me the 
first and then second times..., I clearly stated what was meant by common point 
several times in several post…. ….. I also stated specifically in some of th 
those post that the daily axis tilt of Uranus is 97.77degrees offset from the 
orbital?..….Why do you keep trying to make "points" that don’t make any sense 
whatsoever......either they have already been addressed specificaly or are not 
relevant to beging with.. ?...my diagram does not address the axial tilt 
between the two but all those post when i answered this before do........The 
whole issue is moot to begin with since I clearly show them to be two different 
rotations with two different common points in the very diagram...I do not show 
them to be zero wrt each other in the diagram, beacuse i dont even address 
it....... The two different rotations are under consideration not the angle 
displacement between the axis?
 Whether they are parallel or offset wrt each other the principle will always 
be the same always….…I have addressed this over and over again…?......The 
common point defines any given rotation?.......How hard can this be for you to 
see....? A rotation is the same thing in every case regardless of if the common 
point lay inside or outside the body in question same principle ........First 
grasp that concept, you must grasp that fact first before any headway will be 
made. When you do you will see that not only is my definition correct but very 
powerful..... where in the world did you get the idea that there must be one 
common point for every rotation in the universe?..........I never suggested 
that except wrt to the observer himself since his observation post is common to 
all things under consideration.....more to the point, why do you think that is 
even relevant?.......I never said that or even implied that....I've covered all 
this so many times
 before........but in every case the priciple is the same no matter what 
rotation you look at no mater if the common point lay inside or outside the 
body in question... Look at parent "1" diagram it proves that what I just said 
is true....Paul folk can say spin and orbit all day long but fundamentally they 
are the same thing..they are just two different names/ types for the same exact 
action.... a spin is a rotation who's common point lay within the body in 
question where a orbit is just a rotation who's common point lay outside the 
body in question....again look at Parent "1" ..it is all the same thing just 
different wrapping paper...thats all......when you begin to grasp that please 
let us know......my definition is correct and understanding the physics is my 
point your the one who is not understanding here remember?.... .. 
  "allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [geocentrism] Uranus



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