My problem is ' ..' common point ...'. Where is it????? You deny the Moon is rotating on its axis while it revolves about its primary yet here you talk about Uranus' rotation and its revolution having separate axes with no common point. Why do you see the Moon as being different????? Paul D Paul, Dose Uranus have no Geometric center point?!..No center of mass?!..No center point of EMR ? ..No gravo-inertial center?!. ( MS uses inertial reference frames..the center point of that frame… to define motion wrt..I wonder how they do that and if it might apply here as well…ummm) .. Is every single particle in Uranus moving wrt each other, how do you know that?! Can we not consder Uranus a whole rather then just billions upon billions of quarks and leptons..?!...how do they move int he individual attoms?!......Why not ask about those stars at night that are actually Galaxies with billions of individual stars in them…do they have a center at all?....Or is it that we consider them point source lights(EMR)?…..does It matter?.....How would have a rotation without something going in around something else in progressive and radial orientation to it? I think that is far more interesting and relevant question then the obvious obfuscation, you accuse me of, but are in fact now engaging in.... If you dont know where the common point point is then have no business arguing geometical conepts that are not dependent upon dimention...... Admit it …you need the confusion, the anarchy, the chaos and disorder, the completely random universe, you cant get enough of it, you eat it like candy.......its siren call is that of the embrace of a sweet lover for you isn’t it….I mean ....without it….....well that just leaves love for that Jesus God Guy… Don’t worry Paul you can go to sleep now, that sword that proceeds out of the mouth of the rider on the white horse long ago began its work and has already done its work on you as it has on all the nations….only a little more killing left to do……… --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Uranus To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 1:43 PM --- On Fri, 12/5/08, allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Uranus To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:34 AM Paul,. .."I've asked if you would explain what is meant by "Progressive radial orientation to a common point' with particular reference to its application to the rotation and revolution of Uranus and the identification of that common point in that instance" I'm not sure what the problem is...its spin/Daily/internal common point lay in the axis that is at 97.77 degrees to the orbital plane, the orbital plane has its own axis of orbital motion........one axis for "daily" rotation and one for "annual" orbital rotation....one axis for each progressive radial orientation to a common point.......Any and every axis lay 90 degrees to the plane of the motion in question.....the motions must be independent of each other and isolatable from each other otherwise you are just counting things more then once and calling them two.....but every progresive radial orientation to a common point will have its own axis.......The number of axis for Uranus or any body for that matter is only limited to the amount of rotational motions present... "the lengthening list of items which you refuse to address" I dobut i could ever address all the items you would like me to...im forced to focus on the most relevant and fundimental ones.....coz i dont think i will live to be older then a 100 or so years and I have already used quite a few.....but dont worry too much,.....I don't think it is nessisary to look at every atom in the universe or vistit every part of the universe before you and I can both claim victory in the assertion that atoms are very small and the universe is very large... --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:04 AM Allen D You said -- Paul, The curt remarks I referred to are made by me. My post are at some times more disciplined then others but don’t let that bother you. I’m not playing dumb, not at all. I am just giving you and others ample opportunity to say "less then brilliant" things of which you and Phil have not disappointed me with…I then remark in very, perhaps extreme sarcastic manner. I’m sorry you can’t see beyond your own logical contradictions, …. but then again you never did get the whole gravity= inertia thingy either…..Note I did not start out that way but I keep coming to the same conclusion about most not all but certainly most of your arguments, they are focused on "claiming victory" not on evaluating the possibility that they are completely wrong. ….. As I said before this thread will just go in circles. It will most certainly not progress your learning at all because ..well we all know why…….but my point is not so much for me to convince you of your error. You truly believe in your own folly and will not be shown otherwise! It is to offer others a chance to understand and evaluate the real world and the kinds of people that live in it…….. '... claiming victory ...' Yes -- it could be so construed. I however see it as an attempt to contribute to your education in reality. By contrast, your position is characterised by avoiding admission of error at any cost. The most demeaning of mental gyrations is not beneath you in this endeavour. '... that they are completely wrong ...' Well I've asked if you would explain what is meant by "Progressive radial orientation to a common point" with particular reference to its application to the rotation and revolution of Uranus and the identification of that common point in that instance. This is only my second request so it may be too early to add this question to the lengthening list of items which you refuse to address but I suspect it is none the less destined for that distinction. Paul D Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now.