[geocentrism] Re: Unleavend bread and passover CORRECTION
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:46:46 -0700 (PDT)
.................Correction................
( C) Passover is on the fourteenth (Num 28:16) and the first day of Unleavened
Bread is the fifteenth (Num 28:17). The Passover is sacrificed mid-afternoon
and the Passover meal is at night (Exo 12:10). Evening to evening days would
break up these two Passover activities; whereas, sunrise to sunrise days would
not break them up. I see the Jewish leaders in predawn hours before the
fourteenth in a hurry to turn Yahshuah over, so they would not be defiled and
could eat the Passover that night (Joh 18:28).
( A) There is no problem for evening and morning here because of the feast of
unleavened bread on the 15th and Passover on the 14th here.
Mark 14: 1. After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened
bread:
Luke 22: 1. Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the
Passover.
These Qualify the statement about the "feast of unleavened bread" as it relates
to the Passover which is on the 14th. Your arguments about this are not
inclusive of ALL scripture. As a result your point is invalid because they Id
the passover/14th with these qualification statements. thus there would/ is no
separation of these events in a evening and morning scenario. Further....
Exodus 12:1812. ??. this night,?? 14. And this day shall be unto you for a
memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations;
ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever???? 18. In the first month,
on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread,
until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Also & 23:15 the 15th was
part of the feast but it started on the 14th. Lev 23: 6. And on the fifteenth
day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven
days ye must eat unleavened bread. is not violated that is an en
tirely a
true statement. The feast was took place on the 15th but it also took place on
the `16th and 17th and 18th... for seven days until the 21st which is exactly 7
additional days beyond the 14th. The 14th started unleavened bread the 15th was
the day they came out of egypt. There is no discrepancy here because the
commands are specifically qualified with all days involved.
Evening and morning is the only model that fits all scripture.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Strongs is considered a authority However, it is not THE Authority, context and
pattern of scripture carry far more weight then Mr strongs or anyone else. that
pattern is Evening and morning with the hour that Evening is to be considered
start NOT specifically defined by Scripture other than simply evening and by
implication. No further detail can be extracted. See notes on 3rd hour and 6th
hour.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
( C)The sunrise to sunrise scenario is the one that seems to best allow for a
literal fulfillment of the sign of Jonah. One problem is the relationship of
Passover and Unleavened Bread. Passover is on the fourteenth (Num 28:16) and
the first day of Unleavened Bread is the fifteenth (Num 28:17). The Passover is
sacrificed mid-afternoon and the Passover meal is at night (Exo 12:10). Evening
to evening days would break up these two Passover activities; whereas, sunrise
to sunrise days would not break them up. I see the Jewish leaders in predawn
hours before the fourteenth in a hurry to turn Yahshuah over, so they would not
be defiled and could eat the Passover that night (Joh 18:28).
( A) 1.Evening to evening scenario has NO PROBLEMS. SEE Chart for other issue
explaniations??.
Carl your remarks about eating unleavened bread starting on the 15th is
inaccurate and or otherwise mute??? Exodus 12:18. In the first month, on the
fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the
one and twentieth day of the month at even???..the Feast may start on the 15th
for sure but luke did not say the first day of the feast he stated the first
day of Unleavened bread.
2. Sunrise to sunrise is not found anywhere in scripture and is in direct
contradiction to the pattern outlined
Genesis 1:5??.. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8???And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13.And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19.And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Lev 23:32?..from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Daniel 8: 13????.. How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,
and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to
be trodden under foot? 14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three
hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed???..26. And the vision of
the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the
vision; for it shall be for many days??.The context here is a number of "DAYS"
In no case in all of scripture can a day anywhere be shown to be reckoned as
sunrise to sunrise??..
The Evening and morning outline is by far the most consistent scripture for
scripture & implication for implication.
Allen
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