Regner, Paul and all, You cannot have "translational motion" (or any motion for that matter) where every 24 hours lined up as a spoke on a wheel (midnight) at the same point on earth while in a orbit around the sun and not have a rotational condition for the fixed observer/photo plate.....That is "TECHNICALLY" called a "physical absurdity".!?. Nor can It even be modeled in reality period!......Even if his diagram was true, which it was not even close... Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Regner T From Regner Trampedach Tue Nov 13 14:47:09 2007 Thank you for your illustration EarthOrbit2.gif (9KB). It awaits Allen's confirmation of course, but assuming this is forthcoming, it explains what he was saying -- which was beyond my ability to comprehend. Well done! Oops! While writing this, another saga arrived -- it appears Allen is withholding his confirmation! I got the impression he didn't read all the stuff in capitals but I may be wrong. You state (in capitals on a line by itself) THERE IS NO ROTATION AROUND THE ECLIPTIC AXIS. I take it this is a technically correct statement which does not rule out translational motion about this axis? And of course revolution about this axis would also be incorrect -- that motion is about the Sun. Comments/corrections? Paul D --------------------------------- Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now.