Dear All, This is a quote from a book about 21 Great Scientists who believed the Bible. Of Robert Boyle (1627 - 1691) it says: 'His greatest contribution to science was in helping move scientific thinking from the intellectual argument approach to the experimental approach, which is the basis of modern science.' How do you apply this approach to astronomy? How can you 'experiment' in this subject. That is why I handle anything to do with astronomy with kid gloves. It is the same with evolution, neither astronomy or evolution can be tested. If you can't see it or feel it how can you measure and test it? What do we REALLY know about electricity, magnetism, atoms, life, light, radio etc. etc. and this is just stuff here on the Earth! Lord Kelvin, another scientist who was a committed Christian formulated a foundational law that says energy can neither be created or destroyed - the total amount of energy (including matter) in the universe is constant. So how could the universe create itself? Man has become far too arrogant in his own opinion of himself. The REALmen of REAL science through history seemed to be men of humility, whereas the men of the kind of science that is beyond the scope of empirical science and that relies heavily on belief (faith, hope, etc.) on which to build their theories, tend to be, i.m.h.o., the antithesis of humility. When you can prove something experimentally there is no need to shout about it - its there for everyone to see. But if all you've got are pages of theories that have no chance of being verified, shouting very loudly may be your only hope of recognition. There's nothing wrong with that so long as those who disagree are allowed to point it out to others and aren't labelled as ignoramuses. Jack Jack Lewis www.classiccarartist.co.uk