Thanks , I'm not dissagreeing with that yet, i'm going to assume that is or could be true..........I'm trying to focus: 1 Attention on the term "free fall" itself and what that means exactly wrt a orbit vrs a stright line path...... 2. Even taking the postion that ...."not until the "extended object" effect begins to dominate"...... how do we expalin the fact that the tides are obviously accelerated differently wrt the earth...what is the extended object here the earth or the oceans both bulge? And if we are at a point where the extended object dominates as eximplified by the tides then we are back to where we started from....a detectable accelertion in free fall...because our orbit is at the majic spot where some extended object has begun to dominate......and thus the question beggs if we are at that majic spot then why can't we detect the earth's other changes wrt its inertial feilds..../ accelerations....??? Look at the diagram aggian if we are at the majic spot to detect the variation in V1 as shown in the tides then why not changes in V2/..it is the exact same force?.... 3. Notice the inertial argument in the diagram for a arc verse a circut/orbit............ ----- Original Message ---- From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 2:19:16 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Tides -----Original Message----- From:mselbrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:48:47 -0500 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Tides ... It's not until the "extended object" effect begins to dominate that there'd be any significant difference in the rates of the Earth's fall into the Sun and your own fall into the sun. Martin Yes, I agree with you. Neville. A.HOw can i be pulled away differently then the earth in a "free fall"?...I thought grav in f a "freefall "pulls centers of mass at the same rate?.....if that is true about a person on the planet then why is it not true for the accelerometer.....well could say the accelerometer is at the center of mass...ok....so then what we are saying is all we have to do to detect our acceleration is move the mass or person in our accelerometer/ planet offset wrt the center of totlal mass by puting it on the sun side (side of the direction of our "free fall")?.......ummmmm that is not very sporting of the sun if it's gravity is pulling all centers of mass at the same rate wrt each other....where is the additional energy comming from.....ummmm....perhaps we are saying the further we fall the larger the deviation between any two centers of masses are because of the rate is determined by the square of the distance............. in a orbit the square of that distance changes by how much?.......oh the tides thats right.....so can we or can we not detect the acceleration of the earth in "freefall"...? B.If there was no sun would we weigh anything at all?..we would say yes....because the earth has it's own grav feild..ok... so how does the sun negate the earth's grav in free fall?..even more to the point if it can why does it not do that when we are on the sun side during the day?. if it accelerates the center of mass of the oceans then why not the center of my mass ? ....why not?... We are said to "freefall" toward the sun even now! ( on the sun side of the earth)But we dont appear to fly off toward the sun....why not, if we are "freefalling" and the sun's grav feild would negate the pull of the earth's grav feild?.if it does not negate/overcome the pull of the earth's feild then how would we fall away toward the sun?!......If the pull is equal from the sun and the earth then how can we weigh anything....if the earths pull is greater at our location then the sun's then how do the tides get accelerated differently then we do by the sun?...why does our weight not fluctuate with the tides with the same magnitude of force that accelerates all that sea water as the sun passes over us.... C.on the night side of that earth, there is the difference between a person on that earth "freefalling" to the center of the sun's center of mass and a person on the elevator "freefalling" to the earth's center of mass ....? is the earth's grav over power the suns...then how come there are tides on the night side as well?....what is accelerating them in a new moon where the sun and moon are on the same side wrt the earth.... Summary: The earth still has a gravity that attracts mass with or without the sun.....There is no way to negate the earth's pull on person by claiming a "freefalling" toward the sun even if we say the earths is stronger we still have a detectable acceleration wrt the sun in free fall the tides!?.....or more precisely the whole idea of "free falling" to the sun is not really "freefalling" in the same way that a apple falling toward the earth. The falling apple is not the same as a satellite in orbit...using the term "freefall" is just a free and loose use of terminology/cop out for the fact that those two circumstances are not even remotely the same and yet they are explained away the exact same way....? ________________________________ Free 3D Marine Aquarium Screensaver Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at www.inbox.com/marineaquarium