[geocentrism] Re: Three days and three nights MY CHART
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
( C)The sunrise to sunrise scenario is the one that seems to best allow for a
literal fulfillment of the sign of Jonah. One problem is the relationship of
Passover and Unleavened Bread. Passover is on the fourteenth (Num 28:16) and
the first day of Unleavened Bread is the fifteenth (Num 28:17). The Passover is
sacrificed mid-afternoon and the Passover meal is at night (Exo 12:10). Evening
to evening days would break up these two Passover activities; whereas, sunrise
to sunrise days would not break them up. I see the Jewish leaders in predawn
hours before the fourteenth in a hurry to turn Yahshuah over, so they would not
be defiled and could eat the Passover that night (Joh 18:28).
( A) 1.Evening to evening scenario has NO PROBLEMS. SEE Chart for other issue
explaniations??.
Carl your remarks about eating unleavened bread starting on the 15th is
inaccurate and or otherwise mute??? Exodus 12:18. In the first month, on the
fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the
one and twentieth day of the month at even???..the Feast may start on the 15th
for sure but luke did not say the first day of the feast he stated the first
day of Unleavened bread.
2. Sunrise to sunrise is not found anywhere in scripture and is in direct
contradiction to the pattern outlined
Genesis 1:5??.. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8???And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13.And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19.And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Lev 23:32?..from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Daniel 8: 13????.. How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,
and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to
be trodden under foot? 14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three
hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed???..26. And the vision of
the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the
vision; for it shall be for many days??.The context here is a number of "DAYS"
In no case in all of scripture can a day anywhere be shown to be reckoned as
sunrise to sunrise??..
The Evening and morning outline is by far the most consistent scripture for
scripture & implication for implication.
Allen
Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sunrise to sunrise day model for three days and three nights
We have been taught that the Jewish day that begins in the evening (dark) is
the same as a Biblical day. The King James Version translation of Genesis 1:5b
seems to support this.
Gen 1:5b (King James Version) And the evening and the morning were the first
day.
There are problems, however. Evening is defined primarily as dusk (Strongs
H6135) and morning is dawn (Strongs H1242). These two do not make up a day. The
Literal Version shows something different. In this understanding, YHWH?s
creative work in the day is followed by evening (dusk, a transition from light
to dark) and then by morning (dawn, a transition from dark to light). The first
day is completed. The next day?s work begins at sunrise.
Gen 1:5b (Literal Version of the Holy Bible) And there was evening, and there
was morning the first day.
I would like to reexamine the three days and three nights that Yahshua was in
the heart of the earth in light of days that go from sunrise to sunrise. I use
KJV unless otherwise noted without correcting for sacred names.
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah
was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation
seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of
the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so
shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The table below shows a day (daylight portion) and night order of three 24 hour
days. The night begins with the period of dusk (sunset to dark) and ends with
the period of dawn (first light to sunrise).
Day 1
Dusk
Night 1
Dawn
Day 2
Dusk
Night 2
Dawn
Day 3
Dusk
Night 3
Dawn
Abib 14: Passover
Abib 15: First day of Unleavened Bread
Abib 16: Wave Sheath Offering
Day 1
The passover lamb was slain ?at even? or literally ?between the evenings? (Lev
23:5) The first evening is noon the second is dusk.
Yahshua was turned over to Pilate at the beginning of the daylight period of
the 14th (Mat 27:1, Mar 15:1). The counsel to put him to death (Mat 27:1) was
carried out at the time of the Passover sacrifice.
Death is one understanding of being in the heart of the earth (Jonah 2:2).
Night 1
At evening Joseph approaches Pilate for the body (Mat 27:57, Mar 15:42).
Permission had to be granted, then the body removed from the cross, cleaned (I
assume), wrapped using a hundred pounds of spices (Joh 19:39), and put in
place. The tomb had to be sealed.
The women observed how his body was laid and ?returned, and prepared spices and
ointments? (Luk 23:55-56)
This seems like it would be hard to accomplish before dark. It may have taken
almost till dawn.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Day 2
The women ?rested the sabbath day according to the commandment? (Luk 23: 56b)
The Jewish leaders, however, asked Pilate for a guard to make the tomb secure
until the third day (Mat 27:62-66). I assume that the day he died was the first
day, so the guard was to be set to prevent the disciples from stealing the body
on the 15th or 16th.
Night 2
The women bought spices ?after the sabbath? (Mar 16:1). This can be translated
?between the sabbaths? (Pollina, David, 2004. Reuniting the Covenant, Tushiyah
Press. p. 238.)
Day 3
This was a day for a special service.
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you:
on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Night 3
It was still night when the women went to the tomb.
Joh 20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was
yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the
sepulchre.
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day]
of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
In the Greek sabbath is plural and the first of the week is ?MIA SABBATON? or
?day one to the sabbaths (plural).?
?As it began to dawn toward? is the same Greek word translated as ?drew on? in
Luk 23:54 (See Night 1).
The resurrection would have occurred at night, near the end of the guard?s
watch.
The sunrise to sunrise scenario is the one that seems to best allow for a
literal fulfillment of the sign of Jonah. In inclusive reckoning parts of the
outer two periods (day 1 and night 3) would be counted towards the three days
and three nights.
An evening to evening scenario has problems. One problem is the relationship of
Passover and Unleavened Bread. Passover is on the fourteenth (Num 28:16) and
the first day of Unleavened Bread is the fifteenth (Num 28:17). The Passover is
sacrificed mid-afternoon and the Passover meal is at night (Exo 12:10). Evening
to evening days would break up these two Passover activities; whereas, sunrise
to sunrise days would not break them up. I see the Jewish leaders in predawn
hours before the fourteenth in a hurry to turn Yahshuah over, so they would not
be defiled and could eat the Passover that night (Joh 18:28).
Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it
was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they
should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Two points of ?evidence? for evening to evening days are beginning the fast for
the Day of Atonement on the evening of the ninth (Lev 23:32) and beginning the
period to eat unleavened bread on the evening of the fourteenth (Exo 12:18).
However, it is easily understood that to fast on the daylight period of the
tenth, one should begin with an empty stomach. Also, the Passover meal at night
on the fourteenth was included in the period that unleavened bread was to be
eaten.
The sunrise to sunrise scenario allows for a fulfilling of the Passover by
Messiah, it allows time for a proper burial, and it allows a literal three days
and three nights in the heart of the earth without having to resort to the high
sabbath of the fifteenth not overlapping the weekly sabbath (Joh 19:31). It
reconciles the usage of ?drew on? and ?began to dawn towards? taking a literal
view of this Greek word as actually referring to getting light. And it takes
the mystery out of how it was still the day before the sabbath (the fifteenth)
when evening had come.
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that
is, the day before the sabbath,
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