The helper would guide us unto all truth the text you have is the truth He his guiding us to. if we or angel preach any other gospel let him be accused! Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I disagree... We can and must simply read them but we must read ALL of them not some. This dose not require any interpretation. This is the scripture presenting itself to us. When we look at All, then and only then can we see the whole of what it is telling us. Allen "Dr. Neville Jones" wrote:Allen, Your position is wrong. Christ said that salvation could not be found by simply reading the Scriptures. Christ also promised to send a HELPER, or COUNSELLOR. What do we need that for? Someone, Philip I think, pointed out a while back that the Scriptures make mention of a "New Moon," but that we know it's the same Moon. We need to research such Scriptures in order to understand what they mean. We cannot simply read them. Neville. Allen Daves wrote: Fair enough.......... However, the point I was making is your argument is emotional and is not one found in scripture it is the reasoning of man. Here is what I mean.... how bad Hitler was has noting to do with whether or not God and the scripture you have in your hand mean exactly what it looks like at face value.... When he said he ordained them and do not resist them. Those who say it means anything other than what it plainly says have a burden of proof on them to prove that it dose not mean exactly that! The point being you can?t prove that because all you have is what you have been given including the text. The text states that all the answers including how to read and understand the text are found in and only in the text not in mans ability to reason or anywhere else. There is obviously a "correct way" to read scripture. Scripture itself states that it is not found in man?s reasoning abilities or any other place except in the text itself and not to look beyond it. And e veryone will have to determine for themselves if they will accept only and only what God states or their own abilities at interpreting what he said. Nothing that I have stated has been contrary to scripture and only by scripture will anyone know for sure if what I or anyone else says it true or not. That is the standard and choice everyone has been given. I could be wrong and If someone can demonstrate from scripture, not their reasoning or ideas , but scripture then I will accept it as so. Allen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online?