Jack, The problem is not mine the problem is that people dont understand the significane of the fact that scriptures do not use the term trinity..never!...We are not to think beyond what is written period... ok fine different lanugages but trinity is just a name of a concept (that we are ignorant of) that is never defined in the text of what is written!... The scriptures nowhere at any time or any combination of scriptures explicetly detail for us where Jesus begins and the Holy Spirit ends.....Therefore the word trinity is not only 1.A fabricated word, but also a word that can only describe our ingnorance of a concpet about the nature of God .......not objectively define that nature of God....!? 2. As such the term Trinity is very vauge in relation to the nature of God by defintion of vauge...............Scripture does not detail that bit of the exact nature of God where Jesus the father and the Holy Spirit end or begin with or withint each other... you connot invent words to name a concepts that you do not understand or are not defined......and call it "spelled out"...... ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:34:45 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The Trinity Allen, The references to the Trinity are not in the least vague. One of Neville's problems, and I'm begining to think yours too, is because the word 'Trinity' is not mentioned in the Bible. The book that Neville destroyed said it all by showing all the scriptures related to every combination of God, Spirit and Jesus. There is no doubt whatsoever. Since Neville rejects the Bible anything he has to say on the subject can be ignored. Jack Neville Jones wrote: -----Original Message----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Read carefully..Iʼm not anti- "Trinity"....................There are many analogies and similitudes regarding the Trinity and I think for the most part they are adequate. I will say, I personally donʼt like using the word coz it is not found anywhere in scripture. Agreed. ... What is found in the scripture is a vague concept. It is that vague concept that we call "the trinity". But the text does not detail that concept nor does it ever mention any term with intrinsic meaning to refer to that vague concept except perhaps "us" and "One God". Agreed. This is part of the problem. We invent words that could only get any valid meaning from vague concepts found only from a source that does not bother to divulge that information and yet we still insist on assigning our invented words/ concepts with intrinsic, absolute values. We ge so caught up in our adhoc words that we loose sight of what we are given specifically. ... Neville.