Yes...... but the this issue is not so much "fixes" for HC as it is a problem that is intrinsic to the motions of the heavens themselves. Like i said before, time must be counted it can't actually be measured. .....The reason?....Well, technically although I agree with what Neville said, the subtlety that is offten forgotten or overlooked here is that with all the "precise" measurements of seconds and all that, at the end of the day (pun intended), those counts have to be reconciled to the solar days and years as I mentioned them earlier, not the other way around. Otherwise noon day would eventually be at midnight ??.J Again i would suggest Dr James Hanson's Article on Time must be counted ..I think it is.....if you cant find it in the archives send Dr Bouw a quick note and he can direct you to the article in question....... Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thanks Allen. I imagine it is all these variables that have to have 'fixes' to explain the heliocentric model. Do these variables affect the geocentric model? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Solar and sidereal days Jack, Well .......They never do exactly.........We have leap years but we also have leap seconds, that are added to certain years to keep the two lined up because the don't exactly ..There is a drift of ~4 min per day that will bring everything full circle so to speak. The sun will be in the same relative position to the stars as it was the "year" before ~365 days latter....that Cycle defines a year... Dr. Hanson i believe wrote a really good article in the BA on time and the fact that it must be counted not measured, because the motions of the heavens which define time for us are not always consistent....