[geocentrism] Re: Regner concedes?

  • From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:18:27 -0800

JA,

I do not understand your drawings. You have not changed the rotation axis from one scenario to the other, so the box is just as far away from the axis in both cases.

In diagrams 1, 2 and 3, your camera should not be diverging onto the axis, but be parallel with it.

Just like you have in 4, 5 and 6, but here you have not changed the axis! If you change the axis so as to point towards the box and make the rotor blades orthogonal to that axis, then what is the difference between the mechanism of 1, 2 and 3, from 4, 5 and 6?

Perhaps you could redo the diagrams and see.

Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:59:50 -0800 (PST)

Allen,
 
Allow me to demonstrate. Actually, your mention of the helicopter is what got my confused questioning to gel into something I could better understand, so I have used the helicopter as my device. I found this much easier to visualize and draw the motions. The Helicopters body will represent whatever axis we are considering. The box on the ground beside the helicopter is any star you want to consider a star trail for. The rotor is either the baseline of earths radius or its orbit depending on whether you are talking about the nightly or annual trail. The Camera on the end of the rotor the camera sitting on a tripod anywhere on the earth.
 
Drawings 1, 2, 3 are of the setup of my system to simulate the nightly star circle. The only difference between 1,2&3 is that I am increasing the length of the rotor axis, so that you can see where the circle produced is heading as the distance begins to negate the baseline (rotor length). Drawing 7 shows the positions of the camera as it is swung around the axis. Drawing 9 shows the results (the trail formed by taking a timelapse photo through one revolution in each of the three drawings). The circle is progressively moving to center on the axis of rotation. Exactly what we see in the sky and what your model predicts.
 
Drawings 4, 5, 6 are of the setup of my system to simulate the annual star circle. The only difference between 4,5&6 is that I am increasing the length of the rotor axis, so that you can see where the circle produced is heading as the distance becomes more important than the baseline (rotor length). Drawing 7 shows the positions of the camera as it is swung around the axis. Drawing 8 shows the results (the trail formed by taking a timelapse photo through one revolution in each of the three drawings). Both circles (the axis circle and the box circle) are decreasing in size and will diapear into a dot with enough distance. Exactly what we see in the sky, but not what you are predicting.
 
So what is different in my model to yours? If your camera takes pictures 24 hours apart, you are not taking into consideration that the camera has not rotated with the axis of rotation you are trying to record, and as my model shows, that is all the difference needed to make the annual trails disapear.
 
This is not a proof of HC, only a disproof of the disproof, which are not the same.
 
JA...
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