[geocentrism] Re: Regner concedes?
- From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:19:23 -0800 (PST)
I hate to say this, but I accept your double dog dare. I will post my "proof"
that shows why no annual trails will be seen in HC, but first I must make it
readable, plus it's way past lunch time. Then I'll point out the difference
between them. I'll attach unreadable anyway for now.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
LOOK CLOSELY AT THE ATTACHED DIAGRAM........ NOW TELL ME WHY THIS WORKS AND
HC IS UNNOTICABLE DOES NOT..... I HAVE TAKEN ALL THE GUESS WORK OUT OF THE
CAMERA ANGLES AND PEOPLES BACK TO AXIS OF ROTAION AND SCALE AND EVERYTHING
ELSE.........!?
I HERBY ENVOKE THE DUOUBLE DOG DARE FOR REGNER, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER,
TO SHOW ME "THE ERROR OF MY WAYS"......
Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Philip,
With respect, and despite your trifold repetition posting, it is not Allen but
yourself who misses the point, because you comment upon, "our inability to
visualise why a camera will not detect which system is actually moving." In
this comment you simply assert that the camera cannot detect something which
you assume is there. But the camera could detect it, the reason it does not is
because the second component of motion is not there. This second component of
motion is NOT equivalent WITH RESPECT TO THE BACKGROUND STARS between
heliocentric and geocentric models.
The camera does detect what is moving, that is the entire point. Regner, as far
as I am aware, since I was away at the time, wanted some proof of geocentrism
did he not? Here it is. One set of star trails predicted by geocentrism and two
sets predicted by heliocentrism, for exactly the same reasons. What do we
observe? One set. So which model is demonstrably wrong?
Uhmmm, difficult question.
What you are doing is quoting effects which are explainable in both systems.
What we are doing is offering a proof of one system over another. Something
which cannot be explained away in the heliocentric model or, if it can, Regner
has not yet attempted to do it.
Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:02:19 +1000
Allen You seem to have missed that this is exactly what I said...
What you and miss is the fact "that newton does not pretend to know why they
act the way they act. Newton does not know what the mechanical force is...he is
only explaing it..his laws are descritptions of observation "
Allen You seem to have missed that this is exactly what I said
Allen You seem to have missed that this is exactly what I said
Allen You seem to have missed that this is exactly what I said
And that is why I also said such has no bearing on the question..as regards
Geocentrism being explainable within his "laws are exact descritptions of
observation" .. and I also said, and will say it three times again,
"We have known about, and discussed this here for years, why do we keep
running away from it? " We have known about, and discussed this here for
years, why do we keep running away from it? We have known about, and discussed
this here for years, why do we keep running away from it?
You went into a long winded nothing that failed to eplain what is observed ,
namely the world reacts against a flywheel, and therefore must be moving
according to all the known mechanical laws of science..
You seem to have missed what I also said, so I'll say again it three times..
In Newtonian physics thats the proof of the HC system. In Newtonian physics
thats the proof of the HC systemIn Newtonian physics thats the proof of the HC
system..
and We need to fault Newtons laws and prove it, to win this debate.. I'm
hoping Robert with GWW can do that. We need to fault Newtons laws and prove
it, to win this debate.. I'm hoping Robert with GWW can do that. We need to
fault Newtons laws and prove it, to win this debate.. I'm hoping Robert with
GWW can do that.
And you and me and all are not going to do that by talking about illusions
caused by our inability to visualise why a camera will not detect which system
is actually moving.. Nor will we do that by repeating over and over that
Newton is wrong, unless you can prove he is wrong and supply an acceptable
alternative theory..
I'm hoping Robert with GWW can do that. I'm hoping Robert with GWW can do
that. I'm hoping Robert with GWW can do that.
Now please go back and DO the flywheel experiment for an hour.. not think
about it ... do it..
Philip.
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