a.. Perhaps neither A and B are the absolute frame, but C is. If C were used , then a difference in speed would be seen, but C wasn't chosen... too bad. Why would C be absolute? And even if it were you seem to be observing from outside the system.My case was merely to show Allen how limited a person is on his own world to trust his what you see observation.. Quite simple. Philip. PS what magic did you use to stop me changing this into black ink... ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bennett To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Question begging Let's be semantically careful here, since gedankens like this are how the relativists went awry. In the antecedent, who measured the speed? A? B? another world C? Even if A and B both independently measure 100 mph, still there are problems : a.. speeds may be different, but the equipment/procedure lacks the precision to detect the difference. What if the speed were a thousand times faster? A million? a.. Perhaps neither A and B are the absolute frame, but C is. If C were used , then a difference in speed would be seen, but C wasn't chosen... too bad. a.. Maybe there's an absolute frame that doesn't separate out by velocity experiments, but only with higher order motion changes. Then A could be an ARF but not discernible with speed measurements. Robert Philip: In free space if two worlds A and B are coming together to collide at 100mph, no one can say what the real motions are out of an infinite number of variations which may be: A is stationary, A is moving towards B, A is moving away from B or B is stationary, B is moving toward A B is moving away from A. And all this infinite number of variables must have the resultant combination that will be a 100mph collision. There is no fixed point of reference. Thus one is assumed. I who live on A can chose my world as static. You on B can chose that your world is static. Nothing changes mathmatically, it wil be a 100mph collision. But the reality is a presumption in both cases, and niether world is static. Therefore not a proven reality. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 19/03/2007 11:49 AM