QI: Why should I give you 3 ships to sail west to India, Cristoforo, when you have not studied sea navigation and theory at the great schools of Spain? CC: I have great practical experience, your majesty, and wish to push my explorations further. QI: But at my MS schools you would learn of the edge of the earth and the great sea-dragons, about which every student is taught. Only a fool would have a belief contrary to MS. I won?t finance this fool?s voyage! And so America was never discovered?. what a pleasant thought. The reality of scientific debate has surely changed from its lofty ideal of being open to everyone. In my on-line debate with a high-ranking MS physicist, he supported GR with a statement re what inertial frames were like in distant star-systems. I pointed out that this was unfalsifiable, now and probably until the second coming. Certainly a relevant and uncomplicated question to answer. But he responded with a barrage of questions, principally about my academic credentials, even who my mentor was! Rather than answer my question, he chose to attack the questioner?s background. This is a puzzle most difficult to solve Re a lack of understanding of basic physics: I plead guilty to not understanding these basic beliefs of MS physics: the big bang cosmology, how galaxies coalesce from expanding gas, the Hubble distance ? red shift law relativity in both flavors how spacetime is measured how a human observation creates reality from chaos For all these shortcomings, I give thanks to God. I have no formal training in biology , but my training and understanding in math-statistics and philosophy-logic lead me to reject evolution, the bulwark of modern biology. Re credentials I have presented my GR thesis at a relativity seminar attended by Peter Bergmann, Roger Penrose, John Wheeler, Banesh Hoffman and David Finkelstein (for those who delight in name-dropping). None of these opposed my thesis. Today I realize that my thesis was mathematically sound, impressively couched in the formalism of tensors, but proceeded from false premises, and so is only approximately valid. Re Paul?s puzzle BRING IT ON! Robert -----Original Message----- From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville Jones Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:53 AM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Puzzle G'Day again Paul, That e-mails have been "delivered" does not mean that the recipient has read them or even opened them. This point has clearly passed you by, but hopefully is now settled. You state that you "don't know that [you] have any responsibility to explain to anyone why [you] ask a reasonable question in a forum such as this, ..." This forum is run by Steven and myself and if either or both of us consider your question to be deliberately belittling to a respected and valuable member of this forum, then you are required to explain yourself. If you do not, then you will be barred from contributing further or simply thrown off. I hope that I make myself clear on this point, too. I also hope that this puts an end to both issues and that we can look forward to your posting of the puzzle. Whether you decide to apologise to Robert for the obvious insinuation you were making, I leave to your discretion. One more thing, however. I did not find the tensor calculus of General Relativity to be "easy" and I know of no one in my year at university who did. Certainly Einstein himself did not find it "easy," since he hired a professional mathematician to do it for him. You might also like to research what Albert Einstein's Ph.D. consisted of. Best wishes, Neville. Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Neville J Thanks for your immediate response to my last request re the puzzle and for your permission. I've been to my 'Sent' folder and extracted the three messages in question, and from the headers I also extracted the 'From' and 'To' lines all of which I've shown below together with your response (to which I am now responding). If you did not receive the earliest (to ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx - address extracted from the header of one of your messages eg From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>) then the second, to the open forum, I would have thought, would have elicited a puzzled response. Since it did not, I'm sure you can see why I deduced either preoccupation or apathy on your part. None were returned as not delivered, so I had presumed that they were in fact delivered. Concerning my question to Robert B about his PhD. This is at least the third time I've sought this information -- all requests either ignored or not answered. I don't know that I have any responsibility to explain to anyone why I ask a reasonable question in a forum such as this, but since I have no ulterior motive, I did this because I wished to know if the qualification was in any way relevant to the subject under discussion. You see there are quite a few people in this world who obtain a PhD from a questionable institution in an 'easy' subject, ... _____ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships <http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/championships/games/*http:/ /uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk/> . Plus: play games and win prizes.