Trouble with this view of Christs return in 70 ad, is that some rather remarkable things happen after his 1000 year rule has ended, things such as death and hell being thrown in the lake of fire, well we still have death dont we?, I also do not see the tent of God being with mankind at present, etc etc, in fact it looks very much to me as if the Devil is still running the world. When Jesus talked about a "generation," he had just been talking about the sign of his prescence, and said the generation that saw these signs, would still be alive to see his second coming, not the generation that saw his first coming. Pete Charlton ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Brauer To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19 Allen, Kevin Craig has this: http://members.aol.com/VFTprayer/heaven/antichrist.htm Bernie 2008/8/20 <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> With respect to your last two post, the general thrust being we should take scripture literally. However, as you well know different people even the ones who hold that view only carry it in so far as their philosophies or doctrine allow. In the same way that some folks look at that verse and say see.. the sun moves..I look at Jesus remarks and say...see Jesus' 2nd coming took place just as he described in that generation, in the lifetime of those he talked with. In fact If Jesus did not come then what in the world is peoples faith in why are they Christian at all. If Christ did not do what he said he would do almost 2000 years ago what in the world makes folks think Christ will one day do it?! If His comments were not the literal truth of the matter, then how do you know how to "interpret the truth" that without first knowing what the truth is?! This is the same kind of questions the atheist and agnostics pose to those who do not take scripture at face value when it plainly states the sun moves and the earth. Folks missed Christ first coming looking for a physical king..they missed his second coming because......They are looking for a physical king...imagine that!....even after He specifically spoke to that effect otherwise.....What in the world are people looking for?!...Many are going to wake up one day and realize, after it is too late, God meant what he said and said exactly what he meant...."interpretations" were worthless.....the sun not the earth moves...and Christ did come exactly when he said he would to judge the world and that is what is taking place now.......they are being slain by the word of his mouth, when the first resurrection is complete then they too will be resurrected but with a much different fate, ....damnation ....because they "received not the love of the truth" nor did they " love His appearing" ........ --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Psalm 19 To: "Geocentrism/RealityReviewed" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:37 AM "Psalm 19 gives us an awesome look at the transforming power of God and his word. Verses 1-6 declare the glory of God's creation and the fact the heavens and skies are enduring evidence of God's existence and creative power." 1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."