[geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19
- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks Bernie,
Kevin does makes some valid points. However, I'm happy to discuss specifics
about anything but it is going to be Quite hard to stand before the judge and
claim you loved his appearing by denying it existed !? II Timothy 4:8
Having said that, I'm not condemning anyone "strait to hell" just making a
point that folks should give very serious consideration to...before they call
Christ a liar or that He did not do what He said He would do...The problem is
with the ignorance and arrogance of those who like the pharisees took their
long tradition ("2000 years of Christian tradition") and make void the word of
God.......Appealing to the fact that "2000 years of Christian
tradition" states Christ 2nd coming did not meet your expectations, ( just like
His first did not meet with the jewish leaders/nation expectaions) is arrogant
and ignorance at its peak. (False humility) "having a form of Godliness but
denying its power from such turn away".. "The gospel of Christ is the power of
God unto salvation"....The Luke 21 discourse is not just some soothsaying
prediction by Christ, that has no real or maningfull significance. It is
essential to the Redemption message and work that
Christ performed! In fact it is this point to which most reformed theologies
miss altogether.....The work of redemption & reconciliation back to God was
not fully accomplished on the cross itself and could not be as long as the L& P
had not been fullfilled. The cross was only the price of the redemption, The
purchased possession was not consummated until latter when the physical temple
was destroyed..( in ths same way that putting up earnest money or even all the
money of the purchase price in escrow does not mean you own the house, hint:
"the spirit is the earnest of our inheritance UNTILL the redemtion of the
purchased possession"...."When you see these things know that your redemption
draweth nigh"........ummmm) . ..why/How?..for one the L&P stated it would and
second Christ said not one jot would fail until all was fulfilled...He did not
come to destroy the L&P but to fulfill.
The OT goes into a lot of detail about the Christ second coming,(ie.day/ year
of the lord, Dav of vengeance, Day of slaughter, Year of my redeemed.... et al)
Daniels 9 vison 70 weeks defines the time line for that destruction of the
physical posterity.......... those exact same things Christ describes as events
that surrounded His 2nd coming ( in those days,.... in that generation).
Christ, would have to explain it for us in order to know exactly
when,........... since one it was a mystery hidden since the foundation of the
world and secondly, Christ already stated the kingdom cometh not with
observation but like lighting.( You donʼt know it until it has already
happened)... Revelation puts the whole thing together.....It is not that
difficult uless you like so many keep appealing to "apocalyptic language" and
figures of speech that are not to be taken litteraly.......
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 11:14 AM
Allen,
Kevin Craig has this:
http://members.aol.com/VFTprayer/heaven/antichrist.htm
Bernie
2008/8/20 <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
With respect to your last two post, the general thrust being we should take
scripture literally. However, as you well know different people even the ones
who hold that view only carry it in so far as their philosophies or doctrine
allow. In the same way that some folks look at that verse and say see.. the sun
moves..I look at Jesus remarks and say...see Jesus' 2nd coming took place just
as he described in that generation, in the lifetime of those he talked with. In
fact If Jesus did not come then what in the world is peoples faith in why are
they Christian at all. If Christ did not do what he said he would do almost
2000 years ago what in the world makes folks think Christ will one day do it?!
If His comments were not the literal truth of the matter, then how do you know
how to "interpret the truth" that without first knowing what the truth is?!
This is the same kind of questions the atheist and agnostics pose to those who
do not take scripture at face
value when it plainly states the sun moves and the earth. Folks missed Christ
first coming looking for a physical king..they missed his second coming
because......They are looking for a physical king...imagine that!....even after
He specifically spoke to that effect otherwise.....What in the world are people
looking for?!...Many are going to wake up one day and realize, after it is too
late, God meant what he said and said exactly what he
meant...."interpretations" were worthless.....the sun not the earth moves...and
Christ did come exactly when he said he would to judge the world and that is
what is taking place now.......they are being slain by the word of his mouth,
when the first resurrection is complete then they too will be resurrected but
with a much different fate, ....damnation ....because they "received not the
love of the truth" nor did they " love His appearing" ........
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Psalm 19
To: "Geocentrism/RealityReviewed" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:37 AM
"Psalm 19 gives us an awesome look at the transforming power of God and his
word. Verses 1-6 declare the glory of God's creation and the fact the heavens
and skies are enduring evidence of God's existence and creative power."
1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his
handywork.
2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of
the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong
man to run a race.
6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends
of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
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