Philip M From philip madsen Wed Apr 4 19:47:33 2007 If you studied the history of the anticlerical, antichurch , and anti God feeling at the time, and saw the difference between their hatred and your easy going natural antipathy, which they did not have at that time, then you would more easily understand the weak foundations upon which modern science is built. I can't speak for others -- what was their motivation, their intent etc -- and in any event they are gone and we must live in the present. I'd like to share with you an incident which happened to me recently at a bbq. I met and fell into conversation with a guy who it transpired had been in the past, a flight engineer on Boeing 747s. I disclosed my past and he observed that, in contrast to those who live in the metaphysical or quasi-something-or-other world, that we took comfort from the fact that dx over dy for 100 iterations would produce a converging or diverging characteristic; that a dozen people given concrete starting postulates and a real world proposition, would all arrive at the same answer. This is the kind of certainty, the kind of firm ground beneath my feet which contributes in large degree to my continuing sanity. This is the mountain on which I and others stand, which I discussed in a few earlier posts, and on which I wish everyone else could also stand. Paul D Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com