[geocentrism] Re: Odd happenings on (Mars?).
- From: "PETER CHARLTON" <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:26:36 -0000
Hi Regner,
I thought you answered the topic I brought up quite well so didnt feel the
ability to comment on it further, especially as I have no knowledge of these
things.
I hadnt come across a reply such as yours else I wouldnt have brought the topic
up for the advice of you learned people on this board.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Regner Trampedach
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Odd happenings on (Mars?).
Steven and Neville
I am eagerly awaiting your reaction to my reply of Jan. 31st:
//www.freelists.org/archives/geocentrism/01-2008/msg00161.html
The two pages at geocentricuniverse.com that you referred to
are, as far as I can see, unchanged.
Peter,
It is not clear to me that you have replied to my post of Jan 24th:
//www.freelists.org/archives/geocentrism/01-2008/msg00123.html
and since you were the original poster, your comments would be much
appreciated.
Regner
Regner Trampedach wrote:
Steven and Neville,
I am addressing this to both of you, since I am not sure who wrote the
two pages
cited by Steven, below, and you are both maintainers of the site and
presumably
agree with its content.
First of all, I would really like to recommend that you adopt a new rule
of your
lives; To always go to the original source before making conclusions about
things
you see in the media.
You have to realize that what ever you tell a journalist, even when
handed a
written press-release, they will make up their own story, only loosely
based on
what you told them.
Okay - and now to the picture of Comet Wild 2.
You can find all the details at
http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news97.html
The picture is obviously not what you think it should be. It is a composite
(and
NASA clearly states that) of the surface of the comet, and a much longer
exposure
to reveal the faint coma. The latter is colour-coded yellow, to avoid
ambiguity.
The coma is so weak/faint that it wouldn't show up on an exposure that
didn't
over-expose the surface of the comet - therefore the composite. There is
nothing
dubious about that.
To address the other points you raised:
Ad. 1) The "halo" is not strange - it's a comet, comets have comas. This
comet
is far from the Sun so the coma is very weak.
Ad. 2) It's just an imperfect transition between the two different
exposures.
it actually helps separate the two (surface and coma-exposures). It
is most
likely due to the small change in viewing angle between the two
exposures.
Ad. 3) Colour coding of the coma exposure.
Ad. 4) Because the space probe was programmed to perform autonomous
tracking of the comet to always centre it. The tracking is done with a
scanning mirror, since moving the whole telescope would be too slow.
Speeding past at 6.1 km/s at a distance of 240 km, the angle between
spacecraft and comet would only change by
(6.1km/s) / (240km) * (180°/rad)/(pi rad) = 1.46°/s
The longest standard exposure was 20s (=> 29.1° change), but being so
close they could probably use a much shorter exposure. This change in
viewing angle, during an exposure, probably accounts for the slight
blur
that we do see. Also, the camera is just a navigation camera - it
wasn't
optimized for science duty - but it obviously did a great job!
See JPLs page for details:
http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/camera.html
Ad. 5) Shutter speed addressed above, the aperture is 57mm.
The angular speed of 1.46°/s is really not that impressive, and
something you
would easily encounter on Earth - e.g., a runner 90m away - not
extra-ordinary
at all.
Ad. 6) I have experience with soldering and, being generous, I would say the
resemblance is very weak.
See here for more stunning pictures
http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/photo/cometwild2.html
Remember that this is a micro-gravity world with a very "lumpy" field of
gravity (due to the large craters and general non-round shape of Wild 2), so
landscapes do not behave as here on Earth.
Steve, I haven't seen a response from you to my post of 24.01.2008
//www.freelists.org/archives/geocentrism/01-2008/msg00123.html
about what you referred to as "Odd happenings on (Mars?)".
At least some acknowledgment that you have read it would be appreciated.
Regner
Steven Jones wrote:
Regner Trampedach wrote:
Steven,
Anybody can play games with photos.
The NASA pictures from Mars, are of much higher quality than your
example.
Hi there, before I answer your questions, check out these high quality
photos from NASA:
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page37.htm
Then move on to the superb effort by NA'SSA:
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page45.htm
I think you'll agree, it's a deceiving hoax.
Steven.
They could of course still be faked, but it take malicious intent.
ESA's Mars Express returns photos that look very similar to The ones
from the
various NASA missions.
If NASA is conspiring against the people of Earth, so must ESA.
Can you please tell me why they would do that?
And can you please tell me how thousands of people from all over the
world,
of all kinds of religious and political convictions (scientists working
on the Mars
missions), would be able to keep such a conspiracy secret for the rest
of the world?
- for several decades!
I am sure the people implicated in Watergate were not interested at
all in
publicizing it. Only a handful of people were implicated, and yet the
secret
was out in no time.
Regner
Steven Jones wrote:
OFFICIAL: I know that we at NA'SSA have been silent for a while, but
not to disapoint I have attached the very latest image that has come back from
Io.
Your all very privileged to see this picture, we are now using the HD
cam which was originally out of action due to a firmware problem that was
resolved only the other night with a cup-of-tea. :-) Our rover has been there
since last August, but this is the first time we've encountered such ferocious
climatic conditions. A dust storm almost made it impossible for successful
signal transmission, but here is a low-def version:
One can see the interference patterns, but nevertheless, it's a
beautiful site. Huge ice-fields in the distance, believed to contain many
varied times of unknown extra-terrestrial specimens that can survive the cold
not known on Earth. Scale is hard to perceive with this picture, but each
ice-field is probably about the size-of-wales, as this is an unnaturally high
vantage point. The rocks appear green, but we've not been able to calibrate the
cam yet, (part of the firmware problem).
Anyhow, a sign-out from me, this was an official news broadcast,
don't believe the speculation about the lack of our activities, we are still
very active in the field of space exploration.
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Smiles. Real picture below:
Some rural Scottish low-hills I took with a cheap digital camara.
NASA are not the only ones who can play games with photos. :-)
Steven.
PETER CHARLTON wrote:
http://www.rense.com/general80/sunmr.htm
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