If there is a force - in the center of the Earth - powerful enough to keep the mighty demons prisoners, then this force is powerful enough to cause the Sun to revolve around the (center of) Earth! Marc V. But they aint prisoners Marc.. The devils are giving me ideas all the time.. I cant be to blame for me...Is that Luther or Calvin.. maybe both. but you could be right.. about the power source that created the gravity aether waves... Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: Geocentric Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception I was born on september 11, 1948 ... the date of the creation of the state of Israel governed by the Zionists. I believe that on that day, some of the demons were released from hell (in the center of Earth). If there is a force - in the center of the Earth - powerful enough to keep the mighty demons prisoners, then this force is powerful enough to cause the Sun to revolve around the (center of) Earth! Marc V. ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen Sent: 27 juillet 2007 02:53 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception It seems to me that the results would be similar in both HC and GC since the significant motions of the Earth (in HC) and the little motion of the Moon would be compensated by a significant motion of the Moon (in GC). Marc V. Marc.. yes I tried to say it but got complicated.. You made the obvious simple.. How old are you... Im 73 . I suspect Neville had a dnevilleish reason, when he brought this strange group of individuals together.. Phul. still ----- Original Message ----- From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: Geocentric Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception Paul wrote: «Regarding Apollo and laser retro-reflectors. We've been this route previously and my views are on record. I am however intrigued by your assertion that these artifacts -- should they exist -- could be used to resolve the helio/geo debate. Further, I am curious, not to mention -- it would seem -- ignorant. Would you explain how this might be resolved? I've given it several seconds consideration |[:-) but no solution suggests itself.» Dr Neville answered: «It's based upon the light taking (off the top of my head) about 2.25 seconds to reach the reflector and the same amount of time to return. In this ~ 4.5 seconds, the World would have turned in the heliocentric scenario, but not the geostationary one, and so the return signal would be very significantly displaced from the firing location.» It seems to me that the results would be similar in both HC and GC since the significant motions of the Earth (in HC) and the little motion of the Moon would be compensated by a significant motion of the Moon (in GC). Marc V. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones Sent: 25 juillet 2007 15:30 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception Me in blue. -----Original Message----- From: paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:16:50 +0000 (GMT) To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception Neville J OK -- let's start again -- me in black!!! Regarding Global Warming. I did not lambast it. What I said (and this is from memory) was that all the evidence I had (short of seeing it) was that I was inclined to believe that it was unreliable and I gave reasons why I believed this to be so. Having now seen it (and a discussion panel assessment) I think the producer was -- in a previous life -- a snake oil salesman, and I do not shrink from my previous position. The word "shrink" shows that you would subconsciencely view a change in your position as some form of defeat. However, I respect the fact that you did indeed watch the programme and evaluate it for yourself. If you maintain your position, then fair enough. I have no problem with that, if you are genuine. In the British tradition, our laws are based on an adversarial tradition. It is entirely reasonable to carry this into other arenas including whether or not the Earth moves. You make a public statement, I question it, you counter. So long as I limit my attacks to items which I assess as being unsupportable, and I supply a counter argument with supporting evidence, I can't see that I have done anything which requires apology. There is no enmity in my position -- I just think my position is stronger than yours and that -- not only do I have the right to say so -- this is the path to increased knowledge. Surely this latter should be the guiding light for all of us? True, but I am not hinting at any form of apology, so you probably read a little too much into my comment. '...never said that the chopper would touch down at the other side of America...' No, that's true -- you didn't. But you did choose to support the helicopter example (which did mention four hours and trans-USA) while ignoring the example which I drew from your assertions. Deflection? I ought to have qualified my support for the helicopter example. I do usually pick up things like that, but could not be bothered I suppose. Regarding Apollo and laser retro-reflectors. We've been this route previously and my views are on record. I am however intrigued by your assertion that these artifacts -- should they exist -- could be used to resolve the helio/geo debate. Further, I am curious, not to mention -- it would seem -- ignorant. Would you explain how this might be resolved? I've given it several seconds consideration |[:-) but no solution suggests itself. It's based upon the light taking (off the top of my head) about 2.25 seconds to reach the reflector and the same amount of time to return. In this ~ 4.5 seconds, the World would have turned in the heliocentric scenario, but not the geostationary one, and so the return signal would be very significantly displaced from the firing location. Neville. Paul D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. 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