[geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception

Paul said:
  "Now if you are a heliocentrist, you are convinced that the Earth rotates and 
you are also forced to conclude that the atmosphere is also rotating at the 
same velocity (on average). You don't have a choice here, else we should be 
continuosly buffetted on the ground by -- at 37 deg lattitude -- 1337 km/h 
winds.
   
  Thanks, you just proved my point and evidence for the correctness of the 
Geostationary
  truthful worldview.  bb
   
  Put aside for the moment, the matter of how it is 'stuck on' 
   
  Why put aside the PROBLEM ( not matter ) of how the atmosphere is supposedly
  stuck on? If people were out to deceive others they would just say, "oh, let's
  put that aside." That is evidence that a game of deception is being played.   
bb
   
  -- this can be explored later, with the help of the several examples in the 
solar system where atmospheres are 'stuck on' to bodies having rotating ground 
speeds much greater than 1337 km/h to show that it does happen."
   
  The scientists on Earth cannot know what other planets atmospheric velocities 
are
  from that vast of a distance. They make an assumption that it's moving, 
because
  it is politically correct to do so, then make the data fit their preconceived 
notion.   
   
  NASA are known major deceivers. They lied about the moon landing
  ( www.moonmovie.com ) , their credibilty is shot worse than a heroin addicted,
  mentally unbalanced, female thief and prostitute on the witness stand in a 
Court
  of Law.
   
  The Geocentric worlview fits in with God's Word in the Bible and the 
heliocentric worldview
  fits in perfectly with Satan's goal of overthrowing God's throne and rule.   
bb
   
  Bernie
   
  Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
          
    Bernie B
  It occured to me that I may have attacked this proposition -- you know, 
helicopter, go up, hover, go down, Wow! We in Frisco man! -- from the wrong 
angle.
  The reason I persist in this, is that your site is designed to teach 
heliocentrists the error of their ways and win converts to geocentrism, but if 
you wish to succeed in this task, you have to hold your reader's attention 
beyond the first sentence and you will not do this if the first thing he reads 
defies reality. The fact that you can't see this will have no effect on the 
reader. He just sees you asserting something which cannot be defended by 
reason, logic or physics. So, while I don't support geocentrism, I have no 
desire for you to continue making statements which make you look foolish if I 
can help you to avoid that fate. So let's explore this journey and what would 
be necessary for your assertion to be true.
  USA is conveniently located to make certain numbers nice and round. Let us 
assume our journey begins in Chesapeake Bay on the East coast and ends in San 
Fransco on the West coast. Both these locations are very close to 37 deg North 
lattitude, with Chesapeake Bay at 122 deg West longitude and San Francisco at 
77 deg West longitude. This means they are seperated by 45 deg of longitude 
which, at one hour per 15 deg, makes Chesapeake Bay three hours East of San 
Francisco. This means of course that if we hover motionless, we will need only 
three, not four hours for our journey.
  At 37 deg lattitude, the Earth has a circumference of almost exactly 32 000 
km which, if the Earth were rotating once in 23h 56m (and a few seconds) would 
result in a surface velocity at that lattitude of 1337 km/h. In three hours 
travelling at this speed, we would cover just over 4000 km which I calculate to 
be the distance, as the crow flies, between our point of departure and our 
destination.
  Now if you are a heliocentrist, you are convinced that the Earth rotates and 
you are also forced to conclude that the atmosphere is also rotating at the 
same velocity (on average). You don't have a choice here, else we should be 
continuosly buffetted on the ground by -- at 37 deg lattitude -- 1337 km/h 
winds. Put aside for the moment, the matter of how it is 'stuck on' -- this can 
be explored later, with the help of the several examples in the solar system 
where atmospheres are 'stuck on' to bodies having rotating ground speeds much 
greater than 1337 km/h to show that it does happen.
  OK! It's departure time. We taxi our helicopter out onto a convenient bit of 
flat grassland, or a local airstrip or whatever, gun the motor and climb 
straight up to an altitude of 1000 m. Now it is your contention that at some 
point in this upward journey, if the Earth is rotating (with its atmosphere and 
the helicopter) at 1337 km/h, the ground beneath us will begin to rush by to 
the East, the airspeed will increase to 1337 km/h as we lose our initial 1337 
km/h by some unmentioned mechanism and the Sun will appear to be fixed in the 
sky, moving neither East nor West. First problem. A helicopter cannot fly at 
greater than about 300 km/h. It has to do with the maximum speed of rotation of 
the rotor relative to the air through which it is flying. But we will ignore 
this and keep flying somehow, overcoming the enormous drag with our woefully 
inadequate engines. We settle down to 2h 45m flying before we need to buckle up 
in preparation for landing. And I do mean buckle up!
 Sandwitches and coffee will help to pass the time.
  Now we see San Francisco coming up -- time to make preparations for landing. 
The pilot locates the airport, and makes a small adjustment to his heading, 
faces into the wind (well not actually -- he's been doing that doubled in 
spades for nearly three hours!) and begins the descent. But, as we near the 
ground, he notices that the ground, with the local tall buildings attached, is 
rushing by beneath us at 1337 km/h -- that's 370 metres every second! Man has 
not made a vehicle which will withstand such an impact and he will not survive 
such an impact should it occur.
  So the problem with this scenario is three fold. First, how does the 
helicopter lose the initial 1337 km/h velocity; second, how does the helicopter 
fly faster than it is capable of flying, and for three hours; and last, how 
does the helicopter survive being struck by the ground and the attached 
buildings moving past below at 1337 km/h as we try to land?
  What matters here is that your individual reader will mostly understand these 
matters and dismiss your assertions out of hand. If you want to convince people 
of the truth of your large pitcture, you must first ensure the truth of the 
details upon which you rely.

  Paul D
  


  
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