Allen D You said -- Paul, The curt remarks I referred to are made by me. My post are at some times more disciplined then others but don’t let that bother you. I’m not playing dumb, not at all. I am just giving you and others ample opportunity to say "less then brilliant" things of which you and Phil have not disappointed me with…I then remark in very, perhaps extreme sarcastic manner. I’m sorry you can’t see beyond your own logical contradictions, …. but then again you never did get the whole gravity= inertia thingy either…..Note I did not start out that way but I keep coming to the same conclusion about most not all but certainly most of your arguments, they are focused on "claiming victory" not on evaluating the possibility that they are completely wrong. ….. As I said before this thread will just go in circles. It will most certainly not progress your learning at all because ..well we all know why…….but my point is not so much for me to convince you of your error. You truly believe in your own folly and will not be shown otherwise! It is to offer others a chance to understand and evaluate the real world and the kinds of people that live in it…….. '... claiming victory ...' Yes -- it could be so construed. I however see it as an attempt to contribute to your education in reality. By contrast, your position is characterised by avoiding admission of error at any cost. The most demeaning of mental gyrations is not beneath you in this endeavour. '... that they are completely wrong ...' Well I've asked if you would explain what is meant by "Progressive radial orientation to a common point" with particular reference to its application to the rotation and revolution of Uranus and the identification of that common point in that instance. This is only my second request so it may be too early to add this question to the lengthening list of items which you refuse to address but I suspect it is none the less destined for that distinction. Paul D Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline