[geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:54:05 +1000
Jack I think your argument could be reversed against your self, or any who
oppose the idea of submission to any authority other than the Book.
I just do not have your confidence that the Holy spirit especially is helping
you or me when we have so many aspiring competitors for the honor, all getting
different messages.
I feel safer in submitting to only those words of scripture that support an
authoritive church, rather than those which might encourage me to feel pride in
presuming God favors me above all the others. I really cannot do that , and
still retain the virtue of humility and obedience that God every where
demands.
3 And said: amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little
children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jack, how in the name of God can a little child be expected to interpret
scripture.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Dear Philip,
One of the things I have noticed about R.C's is that they seem to have no
discernment, no evidence that they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and thus
incapable of understanding what the scriptures are saying. I think the reason
for that is that they are told what to believe by a manipulating and
unscrupulous clergy. History records this in great detail. 1 Cor 2:12-14
applies to each and every one of us personally (His Church) not just to a
select clergy for dishing out to its devotees. However the Reformed Christian
church understands who the Holy Spirit is and what His purpose is, this then
allows those of us who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to read the Bible
and with discernment and understand what it is saying - its plain meaning.
However I am quick to point out that I do not include ALL Reformed Christians,
it usually quite obvious who they are. Agrred that there are a few difficult
passages but not enough to make the Bible incomprehensible. Now I know you will
accuse me of 'private interpretation' because the R.C. church tells you that is
what I'm doing. There are some people who perform some of the most tortuous
interpretations that completely change the plain meaning and the R.C. church is
certainly one of these.
Quite clearly the Mat 25 verses are refering to those who profess a belief in
God but without showing any kind of fruit. No protestant believes that faith
all by itself gives them a ticket to heaven, it must be accompanied by works as
well. If you think about it, it is not possible to have true faith in God
without the works to go with it. James 2 says that Faith without works is dead
so also is works without faith, There are many good people out there who do
great works of charity but will never see the Kingdom of God. However salvation
is not solely dependant upon works as the works shall be tested by fire as
described in 1Cor 3:8-15. What kind of loss will be suffered by someone even
though they still have their salvation? The loss will be a heavenly loss
meaning that his reward will not be as great as one whose works survive
detailed scrutiny by God. You can get good works, adequet works and poor works
and this scripture clearly shows that a Christian can get into Heaven by the
skin of his teeth. I once thought that my heavenly reward was simply going to
heaven but this scripture, along with others, show that there will be different
levels of reward depending on how we conducted our Earthly lives. The
scriptures you quoted describe the kind of thing that is expected of us.
Regards
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism list
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:44 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
A question for everybody.
If you were to die in the next 60 seconds, would you go to heaven? I know I
would.
Jack
I have to ask you then Jack, where in the Bible does it gaurrantee you that
. Of what need of our call to have hope, if faith is certain. Of what need is
there to have charity, if faith is certain. Of what need have you of a Judge,
if you can judge yourself? And it is the works that are to be judged, not the
faith as well shown in Mat 25
the judgement:
31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels
with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations
shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from
another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall
set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the
king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed my Father,
possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35
For I was hungry......43 I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you
covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath
not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without
works is dead.
We are obliged to say often and always, "Lord have mercy...."
Philip.
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