Addendum to "the real deal":?.Unless of course the additional force comes solely from the planets orbital energy in which case Robert would have a point except their is still the matter of the tera systems aetheral voritices if it vibrates as Bouw suggest to account for the appearent orbit of the sun around the earth in lue of earths orbit around the sun... Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (Robert)This is another potential GS proof: An Earth flyby will not cause any speed .... I would predict that although the earth is stationary the aether moving around a fixed earth will still create a vortices just as in the case of the spinning motor ?back to that a little later??. The real deal is the fact that if HC/AC were true and centrifugal force were fictitious rather then a real force then there is no way that a rotating body could impart any centrifugal Force/ kinetic energy of any kind unless the satellite came into actual contact with the rotating planet/ atmosphere so as to impart the kinetic energy. And if the satellite were traveling faster then the rotating planet/atmosphere then it would most defiantly slow it down not speed it up????Centrifugal fore in HC is a fictious force is it a result of the rotation but the kinetic energy form that rotation can only be imparted to other satellites if the planet comes into physical contact with the satellite to impart that energy. Otherwise they would have to claim a aetheral assist! Where as in GS the aether creates a real force via vortices. This is what I meant about viscosity of the aether ?remember the spinning Aspen motor?..The degree to which a body can impart a vortices to the aether so as to create enough real centrifugal force due to a aether vortices around a planet in relation to a satellite should be a indication of the aethers viscosity & or we could say it?s ability to transfer/ receive kinetic energy from ordinary mass.. through the aether and back to ordinary mass?.. Now slingshots obviously work ..I?m going with NASA on this one?... We might be able to extrapolate some more useful properties about the aether from this phenomena?we need the net kinetic energy transfer (velocity increase) for as many slingshots as we can get our hands on ?.. I think I read where they do or have performed slingshots around the earth before if it is true then the vortices of the aether, I mentioned earlier, are not only experimental proven Aspden motor but we should be able to get a good measurement on its ?viscosity??. And note the direction of the slingshots in relation to orbit and planetary rotation????. Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote: There will be no gain of energy from the flyby.. If the source magnet is fixed. Thus I was wondering just how energy can be taken by a satellite in the socalled slingshot flyby of Jupiter to propell it further from the Sun... That gravity and magnetism are different forces should not alter the basic premise that energy gained by a fall is recovered during the climb... or visa versa.. Didn?t we discuss this before? The space probe flyby borrows energy from Jupiter?s motions, so the probe speeds up while father Zeus slows down (infinitesimally). The Jupiter-probe system conserves energy. Philip. This is another potential GS proof: An Earth flyby will not cause any speed change, since the Earth has no kinetic energy to transfer! [Is anyone keeping track of all these?] Robert