# [geocentrism] Re: JA's 3D diagram

• From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
• Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:36:57 -0800 (PST)

```YES, I concure with both of your post...i inserted a comment or two in blue but
yea, go with that....

Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:      Allen,

In fact, instead of deleting all those blue buttons, JA could simply make one
of the eight blue buttons on each sphere red, say, in succession around the
latitude used, and then thread his ellipse through the red buttons. This would
clearly show both rotations. Make the thread a fine red line. I think that
would make the connection to the red bottons..?

Neville

www.GeocentricUniverse.com

-----Original Message-----
From: njones@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:21:45 -0800

Allen,

If he takes out the geographic axis from each sphere and replaces them with a
single celestial axis, centred on the Sun, then this is going to generate more
confusion. (The same type of confusion in reverse, if you like.) yea just make
them thiner?...and you will need to explain/cover that as it relates to the
equivilent veiws and parallax of the axis.... i think in your write-up........

I agree with your [amended] comments, that the ecliptic axis should be centred
on the Sun, but feel that the individual, geographical axes should stay where
they are. I think that this arrangement will make it easier to describe the
final diagram.

Therefore - Comment directed to JA: Please replace individual parallels to the
ecliptic axis, with one single axis, as Allen suggests (rather than moving each
one, as I previously suggested).

Allen, the drawing of an ellipse through the individual blue buttons would
still be useful, though, do you agree? YES

Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com

-----Original Message-----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:06 -0800 (PST)

Oh yea Nevile, I did not show it on Ja's, but it would be better if he
takes out the green lines that run thought the earth, I think. The reason i
suggest that is because of the whole confusion about the difference between
viewing a axis and where the axis is in reality. The significance determines
what would and would not constitute a parallax of both the celestial and
ecliptic axis over the course of a year. You cannot claim parallax the
celestial over a year as a cause without parallax-ing the ecliptic over the
course of the same year. That is a key point that many are not getting. The
reason they are not getting it is because of where the location of the axis is
for real and not just some equivalent/ parallel view of it...Also I corrected
the last post too here......

Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree Nevile,
I would suggest the following change for simplicity..? ( see
attached)..although the base line means that we can look at the axis from any
location on the earth, it does matter where the ecliptic axis really is. I
think this is important, because moving from one side of the globe to the other
side does not parallax the ecliptic axis even though we may view it from
anywhere on the globe and see the same thing. I?m also convinced that is a
point of misunderstanding for many..(The difference between viewing a axis and
where the axis is in reality & why that is important)........I?m including mine
here for you Ja so as to make my garbled words clear as mud,...(It was drawn in
3d too, notice the earth is not facing the same side in each view as well as
the shine point hehhehehhe) ..... but It is not as cool as yours!.....:D

Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:       JA,

So confident am I that your upgraded 3D diagram will illustrate both necessary
(HC) rotations, that I would like to ask for your permission to use it on the
Celestial Poles web page. Full credit will be given to you, of course, unless
you do not wish it to be. (For the purpose of such accrediting, perhaps you
could supply your name, unless you are happy with "Picture by JA" !)

You, Allen, Jack and others have produced fine diagrams, but perhaps the 3D
nature of yours will make it the most suitable for the paper. (Jack came close,
too, with his 3D effort. And Allen will use his own diagrams for his own pages,
no doubt, since they are of very high quality and contain a lot of information.)

If we can get this issue settled in the positive (from an anti-HC point of
view), then we should all attempt to broadcast it as fast and as widely as
possible.

Neville

www.GeocentricUniverse.com

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