[geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science

Jack in both emails you ignored my point, the main point being that sometimes 
you concur with me and at others preach the opposite. . Namely we are here to 
touch topics both philosophy and science.or anything else.  but NOT TO MIX THE 
TWO  Just as you have asked on this forum at least twice. . Today you betray 
yourself and fail to keep your own objective. 

In case you failed to notice I am defending Regners and Rauls right to discuss 
science without them being subjected to moral criticism, most of which is 
assumed and not proven..  Put in a more scientific way, however much you may 
find objective reasons to criticise a person, you cannot do so subjectively, 
because even a bible basher must concede that only God can judge a mans true 
state of mind. 

I take no offence at your judgement "Your faith in man's genius is idolatrous" 
. as I am sure you 
were not cognizant of what you were saying. 

That is a subjective judgement and as such rightly belongs to God, and to no 
man. By what authority do you claim the infallibility of the Holy Ghost over 
all other men in the world, to perfectly interpret scripture and pass judgement 
on any other man? 

You said, 
There are times when I wonder what God it is that you are talking about? It 
certainly isn't the one mentioned in the Bible. Your God just doesn't fit the 
Bible's description of Him.  ( or do you mean your interpretation of Him) I 
thought He said ,"My ways are not your ways." He was talking to mankind..  but 
of course you are above us all are you not? 

 
Here we go again with your presuming to have the authority of the Holy Ghost to 
interpret scripture infallibly, and judge another mans interpretation. (which, 
by the way I do not presume to do.) 

You did the exact same thing as regards Nevilles horror of the God of the Old 
Testament a God who had no problem with genocide. Yet you could in no way 
convince me or anyone else of any satisfactory explanation of the contradiction 
between Mercy and genocide that Neville raised. 


Philip. 



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jack Lewis 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:37 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science


  Dear Philip, 
  There are times when I wonder what God it is that you are talking about? It 
certainly isn't the one mentioned in the Bible. Your God just doesn't fit the 
Bible's description of Him.

  God said He took 6 days but it is man who said He needed billions of years. I 
know who I believe! Your faith in man's genius is idolatrous, that's why God is 
likely to intervene! Man will never be able to do what God has done. Giving him 
more years to try and  achieve this goal, will result in his own destruction - 
surely you can see that?

  The nineteenth century (Darwin's century) produced the giants among 
scientists who gave us pretty much all the main laws of physics were nearly all 
God believing people, who gave God the glory for the things they uncovered. In 
1864, 717 scientists signed a manifesto entitled 'The Declaration of Students 
of the Natural and Physical Sciences' affirming their confidence and scientific 
integrity of the Bible. Eighty six of the men were Fellows of the Royal 
Society. 

  A belief in God was their driving force. People like Robert Boyle, Carl 
Linnaeus, Leonard Euler, George Cuvier, Michael Faraday, Samuel Morse, Charles 
Babbage, Matthew Maury, James Joule, Louis Pastuer, Gregor Mendel, Lord Kelvin, 
Joseph Lister, James Clark Maxwell, John Fleming, George Washington Carver, The 
Wright Brothers, I could give you a further at least another 20. I wonder if 
any of them would be re-elected to the Royal Institute or even given a job if 
they came back today believing what they did?

  Re-read what I said about the world being Christian and then you will 
understand what I meant. If science did progress along Christian lines then, 
humanity would have benefited far more than it has today.


  Jack L

  philip madsen wrote: 
    Jack said, Isn't it strange that man and all his technology cannot do what 
blind, random chances did!

    Give us time Jack.... Thats what nature had to make its stuff. I am sure 
the genius of man will eventually catch up..  thats when God might intervene, 
but that does not prove any need that God or religion has any part in actual 
physics. Thats a separate philosophy of theology. 

    You want to make science Christian..  Well you should make the world of men 
outside of science Christian first..  So far not so good..  

    Phil of philosophy. 




      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jack Lewis 
      To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:53 AM
      Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science


      Dear Philip,
      There is a very simple answer to that. Let them try it using raw 
chemicals instead of the ready made God designed parts. Isn't it strange that 
man and all his technology cannot do what blind, random chances did!

      There was a scientist who said to God, "We don't need you anymore", 
      "Is that so?" replied God.
      "Yep, we now have the technology to do anything we like."
      "Can you make a man?" asked God.
      "Easy-peasey" said the scientist.
      " Could you make a man the way I did?" asked God.
      "yep."
      "This could be very interesting" said God, "Show me how you do it".
      The scientist, having once been a Bible scholar, picked up a handful of 
dust, at which point God said,  "No-no, you must play fair, you will have to 
make your own dust first!"

      Jack L
       



      philip madsen wrote: 
        Jack said:
        Yes its a bit like abiogenesis, without it there is nothing to 
kick-start evolution and therefore without it the model crumbles.
          
        I was sure that when they clone a dead embyro which was artificially 
constructed from living tissue to be sure, the life was kick started by a spark 
of electricity..  Shades of the frankenstein monster kicked into life with a 
bolt of lightening..  

        That is still a freaky possibility Jack..  A lot of "christians" are 
convinced..  





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