Dear Regner, As I see it the problem at this moment in time is the ability/inability to show/not show rotation/spin of the earth round the sun. Is this going to be a problem for Regner to explain without viewing the Earth/sun movement from outside the solar system? The geo's seem to be able to explain it within. If they are not, then what are they missing? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Heliocentrism is dead Defend it?...there is nothing to deffend...Regner's mind is not allowing him to see the obvious 1.Paul's own diagram that he praised disproves HC 2. According to Regner ther is no rotation around the sun and yet the conditon HC descibes for the earth is the defintion he gives for Rotation..? SNIP Regner Trampedach wrote: Don't worry, Jack - there wasn't any.