Your point is well-taken, Phil. Mea culpa. Since this is a work-in-progress, I think of strawmen that might refute the aether credo you are building... or refute what I formerly proposed. But my examples are definitely premature. Robert B 3rd response to Robert.. who said contains no ordinary (koine) matter: electrons, nucleons, etc. But the aether could contain anti-matter? What about Simonyi's aether model: a matrix of alternating electrons and positrons, containing koine and anti-matter? Or Dirac's model of the quantum vacuum: a sea of positrons filling all available negative energy states? If aether is all anti-matter, then it should have ALL the properties of matter! response: what are you up to Robert.. the phrase, "contains no ordinary (koine) matter: electrons, nucleons, etc." was taken directly and added from your previous suggestion.. If we include the examples of Simonyi Dirac etc, then we would be going on forever, as I add every possible theorist from Beard to Adams. this is a basic outline, leading to discussion. It could not contain all the discussions themselves, else we would run out of paper. Philip.