[geocentrism] Re: Geocentrism response

  • From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:02:08 -0800

If the Bible is the infallible word of God, as this writer suggests, and the Bible teaches geocentrism, as this writer acknowledges, then what has physics to do with it? If physics teaches otherwise, then physics must be wrong.

I note that the writer has extreme bias, with the "weird physics" comment. There have been many very good physicists who state that relativity (Einstein's variety) is wrong and have very strong arguments for doing so.

I accept that vast distances and speeds is a problem for geocentrism; this is one of the main reasons that I (and others) advocate a "small" universe.

The barycentre argument does not work with a geocentric universe, for the barycentre would be the exact centre of the Earth, by definition, and not offset. Astronomical objects are "set" within the firmament, or stellatum. There is thus no multi-body problem, as with Newtonian astrophysics.

Planets around other stars is atheist propaganda and science fiction, sorry.

Neville
http://www.RealityReviewed.com



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From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [geocentrism] Geocentrism response

"Yes, it's true that the Bible (God's holy and infallible Word) teaches geocentrism. According to the Bible, the earth neither revolves around the sun nor rotates on an "axis", but is solidly fixed in one position. Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Likewise, Psalm 93:1 and 1 Chronicles 16:30 state that "the earth is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

But there are obvious problems with the Bible's geocentric doctrine. For starters, at least 333 planets have been discovered outside of our solar system, and all of these planets have been found to be revolving around other stars. Moons revolve around planets, and planets revolve around stars. That's the way solar systems work. Nowhere else in the universe do we find a star that revolves around a planet. Planets are much smaller than stars. Stars have more mass and therefore more gravitational pull, and it is this gravitational pull that keeps planets in orbit around stars. Stars give birth to planets; planets don't give birth to stars.

Another problem with the geocentric theory is that it violates the laws of physics for the following reasons:
"Conservation of momentum requires that when one object circles another, the center of mass of the system must remain fixed. The two objects actually revolve around their common centers of mass. For double stars with comparable masses, the center of mass is between the stars. For cases where one object is far bigger than the other, like the earth and moon, or the sun and earth, the center of mass is within the larger object. But it is never at the center of the larger object. So if anything revolves around the earth, the earth also has to move."
 
"Unless you want to postulate that, of all objects in the universe, the earth is not subject to the laws of motion. But individual pieces of earth obey the laws of motion. Tie two rocks to opposite ends of a string and throw them, and they'll revolve around their center of mass. So why would the earth as a whole be different? Where's the evidence that it is?

"Second, if you picture the earth as not rotating, then everything else is whipping around the earth every 24 hours. Anything more than about 4.1 billion kilometers away would be moving faster than the speed of light. The Sun would be moving at 3.6% of the speed of light and should show measurable relativistic length contraction. Uranus and Neptune should be squashed flat as seen through a telescope, as well as their rings. Believers in weird physics tend to dismiss relativity, but the changes in space and time due to motion were actually worked out by Joseph Larmor, Hendrik Lorentz and Henri Poincaré before Einstein ever came on the scene."  Kasalt


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