Dear Philip, No! I mean any philosophical statement that is asking the reader to accept the science (true testable science) in faith. The faith angle can be dealt with once the science has left the reader with questions that can only be answered philosophically. It will be up to us to then guide the reader into whatever area of faith we believe solves the scientific questions. Put simply, once you have shown that science has been grossly misinterpreted and full of contradictions, you can then show that a creator is the most likely answer. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: GWW I disagree Jack. Going on your own words, if a theses must leave out any religious references or content, then we must exclude all Scripture. Did you not mean to say that it should exclude specifically Roman Catholic references.. ? Philip.