[geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:32:35 +0000 (GMT)
Philip M
You haven't heard any beeps 'cos I haven't beeped. I have noticed ABC promoting
GW Swindle. Not at all biased against so far as I can see. There are a couple
of relationships mentioned in the doco which do interest me, but being the lazy
sod that I am, I'm hoping to see some rebuttals by erudite folk on the matter
before I extend myself. Besides I've got about twenty other irons in the fire
-- far more than I can manage but always hopeful.
Reference your post From philip madsen Sun Jul 8 00:09:48 2007 (included below)
'... and put it in the closed system of a U tube.' Do you remember an even
simpler experiment from school involving a lighted candle in the bottom of a
tall narrow cylindrical glass jar whose technical name escapes me at the
moment? The candle extinguishes quite quickly (would this be called
asphyxiation I wonder?) however if a jar wide sheet of something fireproof (I
think we used asbestos!!!) is inserted to a depth just above the flame, it
burns quite satisfactorily 'cos it now has an up chimney and a down chimney.
Now heat the bottom section of the left hand side. The water will expand due to
some heat being converted into mechanical work. (is it?yes basic refrigeration
principle actually) This expanding force lifts the height of the fluid on the
left side, overflowing it into the right hand side wherein it can fall due to
imbalanced sides.. Cute Eh! I'm afraid I have a problem here also. May I first
define the U-tube a bit more precisely? A U-tube definately. Open at the tops
and joined by a horizontal tube as before. The tube is filled with water above
the level of the cross tube but below the open tops. If we now heat the water
to one side of the U-bend -- say we insert an electric resistance element into
the left side such that it occupies the middle third of the tube between the
bottom and the cross connect -- and apply voltage, then the water temperature
will increase locally, the total water volume will increase and the level of
the water will rise equally in both of the
open ends of the U-tube. However, while the volume of water in each vertical
half will be equal, one side will be denser and hence heavier than the other.
As a result, the heavier water will displace the warmer water which will flow
toward the closest top. So long as there is a heat sink in the system, and the
water does not boil, it will circulate.
Off topic -- do you still need help calculating that jar capacitance? I've got
a formular or two but in the meantime, an early measure of capacitance was the
'jar' (a gallon jar I suspect) which apparently was about 1nF. I haven't kept
too close tabs on this thread... FLASH!!! I just looked ahead and found you've
jumped in at the deep end. Something I remember from one of your earlier posts
which appeared wrong however, was the area. You can ONLY use the opposing area
-- if one plate is 1 sq ft and the other is 2 sq ft then the area is one
square foot. Goes without saying of course -- must be directly opposite as well.
thanks Paul You're very welcome I'm sure. |[:-)
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, 8 July, 2007 12:29:24 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
PS Paul I havn't heard any beeps from you since you seen the Global warming
Video? Don't forget the 3 hour special on ABC night 12th July I think. We
need to be there.. I might even fone in for once.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
Do I get a gold star?
Paul D
No! And if I was in your class, you'd ridicule me in front of the others for
my stupid question. er umm wait on, hey
I took your answer out of space and put it in the closed system of a U tube.
Heat applied at the bottom, does indeed cause the liquid to expand , and in so
doing we must assume some of the heat was converted into mechanical work.
Consider a U tube the top of which is the upper atmosphere let there be a
channel level between the to sides so that any fluid on overflowing from one
will flow to the other. Let them be full to the top.
Now heat the bottom section of the left hand side. The water will expand due to
some heat being converted into mechanical work. (is it?yes basic refrigeration
principle actually) This expanding force lifts the height of the fluid on the
left side, overflowing it into the right hand side wherein it can fall due to
imbalanced sides.. Cute Eh! why couldn't wiki answer the question, and there
goes one of my free energy machines still in my diary, which will now have to
be erased..
thanks Paul
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
Philip M
From philip madsen Sat Jul 7 20:35:53 2007
Joule = watt is also the unit of "power" When is energy converted? Is it
converted? When I place a bottle of beer in the freezer, don't I extract the
heat energy, and warm up the room? Yet the bottle bursts with enormous force
... end quote.
1 Joule = 1 WattSecond. Don't know the answer to the beer bottle though. Use
vodker instead -- it doesn't freeze and the problem(s!) go(es) away!
Concerning bouyancy and why does warm air with included water vapour rise and
where does the energy come from. How about this -- the energy from the Sun
heats the air/water in contact with the ground etc which expands (I'd guess it
does work pushing the cooler air aside) and the -- relatively -- unheated air
above being heavier just sinks due to gravity, the energy coming from the
higher potential due to altitude. A bit like tying a baloon to a fixed source
of compressed air at the bottom of a tank of water. Blow it up, stop when it's
less than full (depth matters here) then when everything stops moving, release
it. The water has more potential energy than the baloon due to both density and
height and it just bullies that little old baloon out of the way and occupies
the volume vacated. Do I get a gold star?
Paul D
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