Philip wrote: > Neville, may I posit a defense, according to your model. > Correct me if I am wrong, but Neville does not accept the establishment > figures given to the stars distance from the earth. > > If the stars are very close, and not the lightyears that science tells us, > then of course Neville 's proof would be worthy of consideration. However, I > at this point see no reason to find for Nevilles assumed distance, but > rather for the established figures being closer to actuality. The proof attempts to show that the conventional heliocentric model is inconsistent. It must therefore assume the heliocentric model for the sake of argument and procede from there to demonstrate its inconsistencies. I can't demonstrate that your ideas are wrong by first assuming they are wrong. The distance to the stars doesn't affect the logic of the argument anyway. The reasoning was that if the pole star appears to moves by so much daily due to the earth's rotation then it must appear to move by so much more due to our larger yearly rotation around the sun. This logic is wrong whatever the distance of the object. Tilt your digital camera sideways and everything rotates on the LCD around the centre of rotation, move it sideways and even an object as close as a distant mountain will pass across the LCD very slowly. Regards, Mike.