Nevile, Yes i understand what you mean. although the criticism of Plank's constants may warrant some scepticism, i would argue, the criticism of them thus far is far too simplistic, without a good alternative....Why use Planks constants?....I would suggest the better question is..........Why Not?.......If you want to get to the lowest level of assumptions....... 1. grav is a vibration for the reasons i keep harping on.....it must be a demonstratable mech that can reproduce what we see and be undetectable except in its effects.... 2. That kinda grav needs a extremely dense medium to propagate in such a way as to accomplish the observable work undetectable...there is only one known physical mech that could do that kinda work and yet still be undetected.....a vibration that propagates so fast that it cant be detected...that kinda speed requires a medium of such density to accommodate it...planks constants fit that bill...like i said it is just a starting point but it is the only starting point that meets the fundamental requirements. 3. Planckʼs constantans although may not untimely prove to be the most fundamental absolutes. However, since they are based on calculations of relationships that can be observed...whatever the most basic fundamentals are they would certainly encompass planks constants even if they donʼt describe the most basic fundamental....planks constants are based on mathematical relationships of real physical phenomena so what ever the Truth untimely is it must encompass those relationships to some degree....... I would argue there simply is far better reason for assuming them at this point then there are reasons to avoid them, particularly since there is nothing any better to replace them with.........so although it is true that they are assumptions they are far closer as starting points then any other construct to date...... I think the criticism of Planks constants thus far is overblown.. why use them?....They are the only relationships based on physical phenomena that even begin to describe or coincided with any kinda physical mechanism to explain what we observed......otherwise we are left with just a metaphysical ones. So if the question is why use planks constants i would have to ask the question for what good reason would you leave the best description you have for some description(s) that have no bases external of I donʼt like Plank....? ----- Original Message ---- From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:54:30 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth gravity static or time dependent? Yes, Allen, I agree with Philip. Why take Planck "absolutes"? You rightly say that we need a starting point, indeed that is why I have assumed the aether to be a totally non-viscous fluid, but as far as I understand Gerardus Bouw's position, his starting point is a supposed interrelationship between "fundamental constants." I am not attacking your starting position, only trying to get to the lowest level of your assumptions. Neville www.GeocentricUniverse.com -----Original Message----- From: joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:02:42 +1000 why they knew about air/ breathing...itʼs the same thing, and you are attempting in essence to argue that since there is no meaningfull understanding, thus proof that there is nothing meaningful to understand....? Allen I understand i think? what you are saying Allen.. But why resort to way out quantum physics of Planck, who uses his own units to explain evolution via a big bang. Math is a great and necessary tool of the engineer,mechanic, but I do not accept it when it is used as a means of supporting invention (ideas) .. which quantum mechanics are.. inventions.. Imagined inventions.. like worm holes for intergalactic instantaneous transportation. Lets get down to specifics. You said, First i was alluding to the theoretical construct based on the calculation of plank "absolutes"....this is a reasonable "starting point"...if for no other reason then there is no other viable alternative... You should be able to explain to me in a single paragraph of a few sentences what YOU understand in practical terms what is "theoretical construct based on the calculation of plank "absolutes". with specific explanation of these absolutes. Philip.