why they knew about air/ breathing...it’s the same thing, and you are attempting in essence to argue that since there is no meaningfull understanding, thus proof that there is nothing meaningful to understand....? Allen I understand i think? what you are saying Allen.. But why resort to way out quantum physics of Planck, who uses his own units to explain evolution via a big bang. Math is a great and necessary tool of the engineer,mechanic, but I do not accept it when it is used as a means of supporting invention (ideas) .. which quantum mechanics are.. inventions.. Imagined inventions.. like worm holes for intergalactic instantaneous transportation. Lets get down to specifics. You said, First i was alluding to the theoretical construct based on the calculation of plank "absolutes"....this is a reasonable "starting point"...if for no other reason then there is no other viable alternative... You should be able to explain to me in a single paragraph of a few sentences what YOU understand in practical terms what is "theoretical construct based on the calculation of plank "absolutes". with specific explanation of these absolutes. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth gravity static or time dependent? Philip, What i think you fail to fully appreciate is that all properties even the definitions of the ones you address have no intrinsic meaning eternal of a relationship to something else.... context is everything.....in the same way that atmospheric pressure, generally, can not be perceived it is the "natural state". It is only by showing a relationships to some other value(s) that it has any meaning and those values only have any meaning in context with others....just because fold did not perceive the pressure of air 600 years ago does not mean it had no pressure it only means that a meaningful relationship had not yet been established.....finding the right "meaningful" relationships is the whole point of these discussion on the aether’s pressure.....we don’t have those or a meaningful relationship yet.....THAT’S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.... you cant say that since it does not conform to known relationships that it therfore has no pressure anymore then it would have been correct for those folk 600 yeas ago, who knew what pressure was to state that the air has no pressure...why they knew about air/ breathing...it’s the same thing, and you are attempting in essence to argue that since there is no meaningfull understanding, thus proof that there is nothing meaningful to understand....?