[geocentrism] Re: Earth and science
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:09:14 +1000
Marc, I think I detect some unkindness in the way you write to Paul.. I
forgive you because though your English is really good for a frenchman, (I
don't know a single australian who could speek french or English , they have
all died. Even our Prime Minister is so dumb he cant even speek English at all)
,
But you need to exercise a little compassion when you are talking (writing) to
an old man, or a retired and defrocked priest, living alone, eeking out his
final years without the compassionate assistance of close comforting company.
We may be his only family? I know that I consider and feel that you all on this
list are like my real family. My wife has no one to talk to less someone
visits. So I can understand Pauls position..
Lets not drive him away with vitriol, but keep him here with tender considerate
care.. After all we cannot expect anybody else to be as perfect as me, myself
....this side of Heaven that is.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science
Paul wrote: «...To discover which -- if any -- of these is correct requires
many more data.»
Since you won't recognize that (physical) life and intelligent beings are a
good physical reason, will you be intelligent enough to accept it as very
important data ?
Question about Mars: if there is a 4 minutes difference on Earth between
solar and sideral day, what makes you write that the difference on Mars would
only be 2 minutes ?
You wrote: «the Sun rises over the eastern horizon and sets over the western
horizon ... on Mars the frequency is 24h 39m 35s ... the stars rise over the
eastern horizon and set over the western horizon on Mars the frequency is once
per 24h 37m 22s»
I don't want to be "picky", but since you are stressing on precisions, you
should write (about Sun rises) that it is an average frequency.
Marc V
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
Sent: 1 septembre 2007 16:30
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science
Marc V
From marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sat Sep 1 03:46:44 2007
Paul,
Strike two: you totally missed the point again ! I never contested the
possibilities that an observer on Mars (or any other planets) could observe the
Sunrise and Sunset. My point is that only the Earth has physical life and
physical intelligent beings living on it. And this is a good physical reason to
give a bias to the Earth based observer. If you don't agree with this, it is
because you are blinded to the core !
Marc V.
Well I'm up for three! Perhaps you have trouble with 'physical'? Your use
of physical -- as picked out in gray above -- is essentially redundant ie not
needed, irrelevant and possibly misleading. Where I have picked it out in
olive, it is simply incorrect. A physical reason is one based on physics, or at
least something objectively demonstratable. Examples - "It is physically
desirable to use a truck of two tonne capacity to transport this large boulder
-- the boot (trunk?) of your compact is just not equal to the task!"; "It is
physically impossible to hold one gallon (imperial or US) of water in this two
litre flask"; "You may try to outrun a bullet from my gun sir, but you will
find that it is physically impossible"; etc.
My original statement was "...they cannot all be correct and there is no
physical reason which gives a bias to the Earth based observer..." with which
you have dissagreed. What I intended that you should understand from this, is
that if I place a group of intelligent but largely ignorant beings on the
Earth, another on the Moon, and a third on Mars, then, on their observations,
they would likely all come to the same conclusion ie that they were on a
stationary body, that they were at the centre of the universe, and that it
would remain that way until they became scientifically literate and
knowledgeable.
What each of these groups would discover is that in all cases, the Sun
rises over the eastern horizon and sets over the western horizon but that on
Earth this occurs at a frequency of once per 24 hours, on the Moon 29.53 Earth
days, while on Mars the frequency is 24h 39m 35s(Earth). They would each note
that the stars rise over the eastern horizon and set over the western horizon
but that on Earth this occurs at a frequency of once per 23h 56m 4s, on the
moon 27.322 Earth days, and on Mars the frequency is once per 24h 37m 22s
(Earth). These are among the physical reasons why they cannot all be right and
there is no physical reason why the Earth observations should be set above the
extra-terrestrial observations. To discover which -- if any -- of these is
correct requires many more data.
Paul D
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