Gary said, "We need to get off this denominational thing. Everybody. We have enough battles just improving ourselves and our arguments against the likes of the Robs of the world. ... If on this site we concentrate on giving evidence-filled posts, then all will be enriched. ... By their very presence on this site, all participants have decided to come together for increasing the awareness of geostasis. ... This list is only for our education and comraderie. Nothing will be written here that will not be forgotten in a month or two by everyone." I agree with this entirely, except for the last statement, which I hope we can all work together to change (see below). Nick, I appreciate that you are a Catholic and that you therefore worship Mary. I do not wish to debate this doctrine here, but I do also appreciate the fact that you took the time and effort to "correct" my thinking. I am prepared to openly admit that my knowledge of Scriptures is far from complete (even the disciples did not understand until Christ opened their eyes after his resurrection). I would refer you to "The Two Babylons," by Hislop, which agrees with my thinking on Mary worship and other Catholic beliefs. Now, I want to move on to something that we can hopefully cooperate on. Gary, I am impressed by the concepts you have raised regarding the behaviour of our atmosphere in a heliocentric scheme. Would you be prepared to write up your thoughts and post it to us all and, if we can get somewhere with it, could I put it up on my website? Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!