[geocentrism] Re: Climate change

Ja speaks true, except I would add; when men allow themselves to be governed by 
 Selfishness, fear, greed, control, etc..., they place themselves outside of 
science, having no claim to title, in the same way as do men put themselves 
outside of Christ and have no claim to title in religion. 

And I added emphasis to the best of what Ja says below. 

"You seem able to grasp the "conspiracy theory" if it's in the minority, why 
can't you grasp that it may be in the majority? How about the opportunists with 
the desire and resources to exploit the majority?" 

Philip.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: j a 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:38 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Climate change


  You act as though perfection of character and purpose were behind the 
movement of the sciences. Science for the sake of true understanding and true 
knowledge. Actually, it is driven by the same characteristics that drive 
religions and politics and every other faucet of human endever. Selfishness, 
fear, greed, control, etc... You seem able to grasp the "conspiracy theory" if 
it's in the minority, why can't you grasp that it may be in the majority? How 
about the opportunists with the desire and resources to exploit the majority? 

  As long as you follow "the crowd" may find yourself to be a lemming. .

  Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    Philip M
    I should have realised that I couldn't get away with a short answer to your 
question! |[:-)
    There are always people wandering through life looking for something -- 
anything -- to attack.
    The reigning world scientific view is that global warming is a fact. It has 
taken many years for this position to be reached and among the participants 
there is a small minority which does not agree. There are in the world, cynical 
opportunists with the desire and resources to exploit this minority view, 
knowing full well that there is a section of the population always willing, 
even eager to jump on a bandwagon. This includes those people who seem to have 
a built in need to disagree with anything which commands a majority view.
    These opportunists however, are generally unsuccessful in persuading 
organizations such as CNN, BBC, ABC to take them seriously so they turn to 
others such as Fox, Channel 4 (UK), and Ch 10 (Australia). As I've remarked 
before, there are warning signs which indicate what is likely to be simple 
sensationalism and what is likely to have substance. First is the distinct 
whiff, if not the outright stink of accusations of conspiracy. Next is the 
identity bringing this revelation to your living room (see above). If you delve 
a little deeper, you start to find things like a significant percentage of 
antagonists whose views on other subjects also lack qualified popular support. 
And, as shown in this case, there is commonly the complaint of some of the 
participants that their contributions have been 'edited'.
    These are general comments -- I am familiar with just one of the names on 
your list (are these the contributors?) Philip Stott (the Biogeographer) and 
some of his out-of-step views -- but the signs are there to be read. As I said 
I will watch it when it airs (in fact I look forward to it) but I'm not going 
to waste my download quota on the video. I think I can rely on you to inform me 
whether in fact the video, when aired, was substantially truncated or honestly 
reported. I feel confident that you will be watching with that intent 
regardless of my existance.
    Now, have I prejudged the debate? I am influenced by all inputs including 
the items mentioned above, the general comments in the press and on the web, 
your advocacy and my general curiosity. I admit that, at this point in time, I 
am not expecting to have my view changed. But my indication that I will watch 
should tell you that I wish to know just what it has to say.
    Finally, did you see the Horizon production "An experiment to save the 
world"? It dealt with an attempt to duplicate an experiment claimed to have 
been successful by the experimenter, in demonstrating cold fusion? That is what 
I think of as even handed, genuine, careful investigation. If The Great Global 
Warming Swindle had been under the aegis of Horizon -- it would have had a 
different name of course -- that alone would have induced to me to watch it, 
but of course, and for the reasons I've given above, it wasn't!
     
    Paul D


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