Dear Neville, What a pleasant surprise - And a very graceful end to this part of our discussion - We'll see whether I succeed to convince Allen. I very much appreciate that you took the time for mindful consideration of the topic. If we all followed your example, we could probably save a lot of time and frustrations. I, for one, have been too rash a few times. I'm looking forward to, hopefully soon, go ahead with that list of top 5 points in support of a geocentric Universe. If anybody still wants to add entries, I think it'll still be a bit before we can close the "Celestial Poles" issue. And remember, that a HC claim that you find ludicrous and for which the only reasonable alternative is GC, also counts as a point in support of GC. Best wishes, Regner - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quoting Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > Dear All, > > I respected Regner's request not to immediately respond to his last posting, > but instead have been giving this whole matter very careful consideration. > > There is now no doubt in my mind that the 24-hour images about the ecliptic > polar axis are always going to be snapshots of the diurnal rotation in the > heliocentric model and I concede, therefore, that the celestial poles > argument does not disprove the heliocentric model. > > Steven and my web site will be amended in the near future, God willing, to > reflect this retraction. > > I would just like to thank you all for some excellent debating and for the > many illustrations that several of you have provided. I hope that none of you > feel that your efforts were either wasted or unappreciated. > > This topic will not be closed yet, since Allen has not had a chance to fully > digest Regner's post. If he concedes, as I have, then we will close it off, > otherwise he will now have one more to convince! > > I hope that our little forum family is strengthened by this discussion and > that each one of us has learnt something from it, I know that I have. If, > however, anyone feels disappointed, then I apologise to you for building your > hopes up. > > Best wishes, > > Neville > www.GeocentricUniverse.com > > >