thanks Ja you saved me saying the same thing. Either the cosmos moves or the earth.... what we see is the same. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: j a To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Celestial Poles "Incidentally, these star trails can only be explained by a rotating universe, rather than by a rotating World." Why is this true? I thought that the appearance of motion in either HC or GC were the same? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!