[geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs

send it again allen   
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  Then you should have no problem logicaly demonstrating (not merrly assertin=
  g) how and why your case is more logical then mine.............I know I hav=
  e been waiting for that little demonstration....  :-)=0A=0A=0A----- Origina=
  l Message ----=0AFrom: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentris=
  m@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:27:59 AM=0ASubject: [geoc=
  entrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0AAllen D=0AI hoped against hope, but=
   in the back of my mind I knew it was pointless. You just don't have the bo=
  ttle for it.=0APaul D=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Allen =
  Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: F=
  riday, 4 April, 2008 3:24:26 PM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration c=
  alcs=0A=0A=0AGuys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a =
  universe with one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in =
  your heads some imaginary universe with only two bodies in it and extropola=
  te the physics of the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einstine b=
  ase their conclusions on such absurdities....The conclusions of their theor=
  ies and even in their thought experiments was based on all the bodies inter=
  acting with each other................without absolut knowledge of what gra=
  vity is in the first place your disscusion realy will be nothing more then =
  a "game" not any meaningfull discussion on inertia or detectable accelerati=
  ons......... MS does not claim the physics of the universe to work on a two=
   body system!.......Thus, it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real=
   universe except in the  imaginations of your heads and even at that assumi=
  ng  gravity is what you think it is in the first place!?  I not interested =
  in
   pursuing that kind of "game". Start with what you have not with what you d=
  o not have..We have observations that show not imagine that what you suppos=
  e is not true from the get go!..Why persue a conclusion we already know to =
  be false?!.....If it were true that you could not detect accelertions in a =
  free fall around in a grav feild then simply the tides cold not exist as pe=
  r MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your thought experiments that =
  are based on false assumptions.  You dont see your whole problem is you are=
   so indocrinated with your idea of gravity  that is actualy not even correc=
  t in MS but you insist on it so much that you refuse to see that your "game=
  s" are not based on any reality they are based on your lack of understandin=
  g of MS......???=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: philip mads=
  en <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Friday=
  , April 4, 2008 12:05:38 AM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=
  =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AYeah...Wwork from a basic setup .. Nothing in the univer=
  se but a stationary sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great speed.. =
   There is no need to bring in the butterfly principle that fluttering wings=
   in Adelaide makes it rain in New York. =0A =0AEven Allen must accept, geoc=
  entrism or not, that we can lay down ground rules for our lab in space expe=
  riment..  Another sun another planet all alone in the void. =0A =0AOK  now =
  I am all the way with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no matter how=
   sensitive,  will detect the acceleration of that planet as it circles that=
   sun at a constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit..  .  =0A =0AThat=
   will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical var=
  iables and barycentres..  =0A =0AAfter that when Allen finds that we is tru=
  e, we can bring in other variables due to elliptical orbits where the veloc=
  ity varies, so that we will have two different accelerations, created by th=
  e same force.. and why again the accelerometer shows nothing..  =0A =0AOf c=
  ourse it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on that one becaus=
  e the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see.. But the guys in or on the sp=
  ace station  will not feel anything on their table either..    Let the game=
   begin// =0A =0APhilip.     =0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom=
  : Paul Deema =0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =0ASent: Friday, April 04, 20=
  08 4:37 PM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0AAllen D=
  =0AWhat I've always wanted to discuss but from a seeming auspicious beginni=
  ng starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning "However, I will go thi=
  s far.....").=0A"New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous ba=
  ggage and make a fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer=
  , the elliptical orbit and the Sun".=0AAt the outset, I acknowledge that ev=
  ery atom in the universe influences every other atom in the universe but ta=
  ke the view that it is not necessary to go to this level in order to gain a=
  n understanding of the basic mechanisms involved.=0APaul D=0A=0A=0A=0A-----=
   Original Message ----=0AFrom: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo=
  : geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37 PM=0ASu=
  bject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0A =0A"New game. Are you =
  interested in detachedly discussing accelerometers?"=0A =0AWhat would you l=
  ike to discuss?  =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AGet the name you always wanted wit=
  h the new y7mail email address. =0ANo virus found in this incoming message.=
  =0AChecked by AVG. =0AVersion: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1358 - Re=
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  anted with the new y7mail email address. 
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  font-size:8pt"><DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, =
  new york, times, serif"><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Then you should have=
   no problem logicaly demonstrating <EM>(not merrly asserting)</EM> how and =
  why your case is more logical then mine.............I know&nbsp;I have been=
  &nbsp;waiting for that little demonstration....&nbsp; :-)</FONT><BR><BR>=0A=
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, time=
  s, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Paul Deema &lt;paul_deema@ya=
  hoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Saturday, April 5, =
  2008 7:27:59 AM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A=
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=
  =0A<P>Allen D</P>=0A<P>I hoped against hope, but in the back of my mind I k=
  new it was pointless. You just don't have the bottle for it.</P>=0A<P><FONT=
   face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FO=
  NT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR><BR>=0A<DIV s=
  tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, ser=
  if">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Allen Daves &lt;allendaves@allenda=
  ves.com&gt;<BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Friday, 4 April, 2008=
   3:24:26 PM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A<DIV=
   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, s=
  erif">=0A<P>Guys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a u=
  niverse with one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in y=
  our heads some imaginary universe with only two bodies in&nbsp;it and extro=
  polate the physics of the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einsti=
  ne&nbsp;base their conclusions on such absurdities....The conclusions of th=
  eir theories&nbsp;and even in their&nbsp;thought experiments was based on a=
  ll the bodies interacting with each other................without&nbsp;absol=
  ut knowledge of what gravity is in the first place your disscusion realy&nb=
  sp;will be nothing more then&nbsp;a "game" not any meaningfull discussion o=
  n inertia or detectable accelerations.........&nbsp;MS does not&nbsp;claim&=
  nbsp;the physics of the universe to work on a two body system!.......Thus,&=
  nbsp;it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real universe except in t=
  he&nbsp; imaginations of your heads and even at that assuming&nbsp; gravity
   is what you think it is in the first place!?&nbsp;&nbsp;I not interested i=
  n pursuing that kind of&nbsp;"game". Start with what you have not with what=
   you do not have..We have observations that show not imagine that what you =
  suppose is not true from the get go!..Why persue a conclusion we already kn=
  ow to be false?!.....If it were true that you could not detect accelertions=
   in a free fall around in a grav feild then simply the tides cold not exist=
   as per MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your thought experiments=
   that are based on false assumptions.&nbsp; You dont see your whole problem=
   is you are so indocrinated with&nbsp;your idea of gravity &nbsp;that is ac=
  tualy not even correct in MS but you insist on it&nbsp;so much that you ref=
  use to see that your&nbsp;"games" are not based on any reality they are bas=
  ed on your lack of understanding of MS......???</P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SI=
  ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR><BR>=0A=
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, time=
  s, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: philip madsen &lt;pma15027@b=
  igpond.net.au&gt;<BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Friday, April 4=
  , 2008 12:05:38 AM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=
  =EF=BB=BF =0A<STYLE type=3Dtext/css>DIV {=0AMARGIN:0px;}=0A</STYLE>=0A=0A<D=
  IV><FONT face=3DArial>Yeah...Wwork from a basic&nbsp;setup .. Nothing in th=
  e universe but a stationary sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great =
  speed..&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#800000>There is no need to bring in the butter=
  fly principle that fluttering wings in Adelaide makes it rain in New York. =
  </FONT></FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><=
  FONT face=3DArial>Even Allen must accept, geocentrism or not, that we can l=
  ay down ground rules for our lab in space experiment..&nbsp; Another sun an=
  other planet all alone in the void. </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=
  ></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>OK&nbsp; now I am all the wa=
  y with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no matter how sensitive, &nb=
  sp;will detect the acceleration of that planet as it circles that sun at a =
  constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit..&nbsp; .&nbsp; </FONT></DI=
  V>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>=
  That will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical=
   variables and barycentres..&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DA=
  rial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>After that when Allen fi=
  nds that we is true, we can bring in other variables due to elliptical orbi=
  ts where the velocity varies,&nbsp;so that we will have two different accel=
  erations, created by the same force..&nbsp;and why again the accelerometer =
  shows nothing..&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=
  =3DArial>Of course it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on th=
  at one because the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see..&nbsp;But the gu=
  ys in or on&nbsp;the space station &nbsp;will not feel anything on their ta=
  ble either..&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Let the game begin// </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&n=
  bsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Philip.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp=
  ;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>----- Original Messa=
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  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
  =3Dpaul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D_=
  blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx";>Paul Deema</=
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  , April 04, 2008 4:37 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject=
  :</B> [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV s=
  tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=0A<DIV=
  ></DIV>=0A<DIV>Allen D<BR>What I've always wanted to discuss but from a see=
  ming auspicious beginning starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning =
  <FONT color=3D#0000ff>"However, I will go this far....."</FONT>).</DIV>=0A<=
  DIV>"New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous baggage and ma=
  ke a fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer, the ellipt=
  ical orbit and the Sun".</DIV>=0A<DIV>At the outset, I acknowledge that eve=
  ry atom in the universe influences every other atom in the universe but tak=
  e the view that it is not necessary to go to this level in order to gain an=
   understanding of the basic mechanisms involved.</DIV>=0A<P><FONT face=3D"a=
  rial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
  2pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR><BR>=0A<DIV style=3D"FO=
  NT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- =
  Original Message ----<BR>From: Allen Daves &lt;allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt=
  ;<BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37=
   PM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A<DIV style=
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  New game. Are you interested in detachedly discussing accelerometers?"</EM>=
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