[geocentrism] Re: 666
- From: Martin Selbrede <mselbrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:31:01 -0500
On May 23, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Allen Daves wrote:
That is not even remotely possible..... would make the " many"
priest that saw the first temple who saw the latter (refer to
Persian kings chart) ~154 year old at birth the first time they saw
the first temple destroyed even though scripture implies they
remembered so you need ot tack on another 10 years or so for a
whopping 164 years of age if they were only ten at the time of the
first temple was destroyed as well as push NEb first year to ~543BC
Okay, I think I see the problem (Or as Daffy Duck had put it so
well, "Aha! Pronoun trouble!")
The problem is that you think that Daniel 9:24-25 is talking about
the temple being rebuilt.
My problem is that the word temple is nowhere mentioned in those verses.
Ezra was given permission only to work on the temple, NOT to build
the city. I belabored this repeatedly in the opening salvos: temple
permission first, with permission to build a city with walls (a
fortified city that represented a threat to the occupying nation)
withheld until Nehemiah the cupbearer spilled his soul out to the
king in Nehemiah 1 & 2.
The weeping over the foundation layout of the second temple wasn't
something that occurred in the 20th year of Artaxerxes, but much
earlier. The event of Ezra 3:12 (the mixed weeping and rejoicing over
the foundations) occurred only 52 years after the destruction of the
temple. When Haggai 2:3 poses the question, "Who is left among you
that saw this house in her first glory," this was uttered 18 years
later, at the 70 year mark after the temple's destruction at the end
of Zedekiah's reign, as the contemporary remark at Zechariah 1:12
makes irrevocably clear: "Then the angel of the Lord answered and
said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem
and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation
these seventy years?" So, all these accusations about 154-year-old
people is a fiction caused by applying your faulty charts, and not
the Scriptures, which provide quite reasonable dates for these
events. The temple was completed and finally dedicated in the sixth
year of Darius, 516 BC. You must be assuming that the 70 years during
which the temple was destroyed is the same time period as Jeremiah's
70 years of land sabbaths imposed later on the city-at-large. The
city was completed later under Nehemiah.
I'd be interested to know whether YOU, personally, would regard it as
a time of affliction (KJV: 'troubles times," the word "troublous"
occurring only here in the entire KJV Bible) if you were called to
work on a city construction project under the following conditions:
But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the men of
Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem's walls had gone ahead and
that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry. They all
plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up
trouble against it. But we prayed to our God and posted a guard day
and night to meet this threat. Meanwhile, the people in Judah said,
"The strength of the laborers is giving out, and there is so much
rubble that we cannot rebuild the wall." Also our enemies said,
"Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and
will kill them and put an end to the work." Then the Jews who lived
near them came and told us ten times over, "Wherever you turn, they
will attack us." Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the
lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by
families, with their swords, spears and bows. ... From that day on,
half of my men did the work, while the other half were equipped with
spears, shields, bows and armor. The officers posted themselves
behind all the people of Judah who were building the wall. Those who
carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in
the other, and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he
worked. ...So we continued the work with half the men holding spears,
from the first light of dawn till the stars came out. At that time I
also said to the people, "Have every man and his helper stay inside
Jerusalem at night, so they can serve us as guards by night and
workmen by day." Neither I nor my brothers nor my men nor the guards
with me took off our clothes; each had his weapon, even when he went
for water. -- Nehemiah 4:7-23 (NIV)
I know, Allen, I know. You've been very clear that the above doesn't
describe a "troublous time" at all. Things are just hunky-dory with
Nehemiah's situation. How dare anyone affirm that the conditions
above even come close to being a time of trouble for the builders of
Jerusalem. How silly of me to think the above situation has any hint
of trouble in it. I must be inventing the alleged trouble in the
above passage. My bad. Somehow, when I read the above description
from the eyewitnesses to the building of Jerusalem's wall, this
unjustified thought keeps creeping into my head: it sure sounds like
trouble brewin'. But you assure me that such an idea is just crazy
talk. What a relief to know the above situation doesn't reflect a
scintilla of trouble. Someone must have overreacted.
Martin
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