[geocentrism] Re: 666
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
This might help as well again since all the intermidiate months are not given
and we don't know Neb 1st month or if that month was in the same calendar year
or his first year started with the calendar year. I did not say 666 years to
the very day and hour nor does scritpure...... Only that the number of months
are not given however when averaged = 666 years outlined by the number of
years scripture do outline not a number and names of all months that it does
not outline.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: What is missed is that it
start with Nebecharnezars 1st year ( you are the Head of Gold) scripture does
not state the months to moths. SEpt AD 70 would only tell us if if gave us all
the intermediat months to include Nebecharnezars 1st month but it only gives
the month he came to Jeruselem not his first month. This attempt at analysis is
erroneous from the get go it is based on a number and name of the first month
of months that is not even given (again arguing from what you do not have
rather then arguing with what you do have) nowhere did scripture nor Allen
state 666years 0months to the day. The whole attempt here is based on literally
nothing (what the scripture does not give us the exact counting and name of all
the months and days for these events). Years are not all the same there are
leap years extra 30 days and such. You would do well to stop addressing what it
does not outline and stick to what it does years not
days not months.. 596 years is 596 years all day long not 595 not 597.........
70 years is 70 all day long not 69 not 71.....70 + 596 is 666 this is the
number of years outlined in both history AD 70 as well as 70 from Jeremiah 36
in the Persian kings chronology and 490 in Daniel to messiah from that 36 th
year outlined in Nehimih ch 5 the wall.... You are arguing in circles based on
what the scripture does not give you rather then letting it tell you how to
count what to count and where to start the count......the sad error is one you
refuse to see and acknowledge it and two you pretend to hold scripture in the
highest regard but you ignore what it states in favor of what it does not
state. I did not say 596 years before Christ as Martian or anyone else "counts"
I said a real actual 596 years before Christ BC by definition of the term + a
real 70 years AD = 666years all day long the math confusion is not on this
calculation it is on anyone who attempts to make 596 years
BC anything other then 596 years not 595 years but 596 years all day long.
"Martin G. Selbrede" <mselbrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 22, 2007, at 9:13 AM, j a wrote:
1 0 1
|------------|------------|
1BC 1AD
There is a zero on the timeline - it is the imaginary space between year 1BC
ending and 1AD beginning. All of 1BC plus all of 1AD equals 2 years. Therefore,
from the beginning of 596 BC to the end of 70 AD is 666 years.
JA
.... For which reason I was very specific: I picked a given month in each of
the years. July 1 BC to July 1 AD is one year (or, as I put it, there's twelve
months between the two months, not twenty four).
The Vespasianic War didn't end on December 31 of 70 AD, nor did Zedekiah's
eye-gouging occur on January 1 of 596 BC. When you measure year-to-year, you
pick the same measuring point for both termini -- you don't artificially goose
the termini to get a nonrepresentative result. Failing that even-handed
approach, you would use the ACTUAL historic termini, and then we're far removed
from the artifice of the example you provide. The Romans destroyed the
Jerusalem temple on August 29-30 of the year 70 AD. The primary wall was
destroyed in mid-summer, the secondary wall shortly thereafter, prior to the
temple razing in August.
The problem with the 596 BC date is that the deportations were staged in
three separate events, under Jehoiachin, Zedekiah, etc. God promised that the
land "would enjoy her sabbaths," namely, the land sabbaths that had been
deliberately neglected after 490 years in Israel. There's no question the land
is not enjoying her sabbaths up through the reign of Zedekiah, and the
deportation under his reign, and the razing of the city by the Babylonians, is
dated to 586 BC, not 596 BC (the second deportation, the largest of them all).
Allen wants to use the 70 sabbath-years for the land, but the land was still
being sown and reaped until the deportations prevented the Jews from violating
God's law concerning it. You can't point at miles of fields being planted and
harvested and say "the 70 years is being honored at this time." Absolutely,
positively no way. The entire point of the deportation/exile was so that God's
law concerning the land would finally be honored by Force, since
it was spat upon by those who should have voluntarily obeyed it.
That said, I'm pleased that Allen didn't split the seventy sevens but kept
them together. That strategy is correct, although dispensationalists would
bristle at it, since they prefer to chop off the 70th week of Daniel and
transport it into the 19th century... oh, I mean, 20th century... oh, I guess
now they transport it into the 21st century. Quite a yardstick there -- it
stretches to fit our failed predictions. Not too shabby, eh? But Allen has
this part right: the 490 years run sequentially without a break. That
circumstance is commendable.
Martin
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